Some quite interesting opinions...
saxmad wrote:I'd make sure she actually wanted to give me her number.
Well if you have this kind of skill to go talk to a girl and then "make sure" she wants to give you her number then you definitely do not need any magic tricks
An attractive woman gets maybe 10-20 approaches a day that go like this: "Hey, nice pants...You look really fantastic ... Can I get your number? (Can we go out some time?)". Guess what? you get: "no I don't date". And that's because you're not good enough. It's because she just does not have TIME to go out with 20 guys a day
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So how do you stand out among other 20 people who approached her today?
Magic can be an ice-breaker that allows to stand out and catch a woman's attention.
Magicians are really interesting, exciting, fun and entertaining people. And it's a catch for any woman. But if you can't communicate all that during the first secodns you just won't have a second chance. So it's gonna be a lose-lose situation for both of you.
Hence, it's better to do whatever it takes to get that special woman's attention. And if it's using some magic tricks - it's great! And everybody's having fun - that's what matters.
Half a year ago I could not approach an attractive woman because I was afraid she would not even talk to me. And she would not. Why would she? I was just like the other 20 guys that approached her that day.
As I learned about dating process and how to communicate with women I was reframed big time. We all have this idea of how to date properly (expensive dinners, flowers, gifts, compliments etc. etc.) which is accepted and appropriate by society norms in almost all countries. But unfortunately it's wrong and it does not work. That was very tough to get over because that's what our mothers and fathers and teachers taught us over the years. Luckily these beleifs were reframed.
Now I can go up to a woman and have her number withing minutes. I can approach a group of several women, strike a conversation and keep them interested for like 10-15 minutes.
Do I manipulate women? I don't beleive so. I am merely having fun and allow them to have fun with me. And obviously I don't "trick" them into giving me her number.
But let me ask you something. Imaginge you take a woman on a date, you usually buy her flowers and take her into expensive restaurant, right?
Eventually you want to have sex with her, right? Or at least you like her and you maybe want her to become your girlfriend.
So what you are actually doing is
manipulating her into liking you by buying her gifts and taking her out to expensive places and paying for everything. You are buying her attention and possibly sex
Interesting angle of view, isn't it?
Anyways, the bottom line is it should not be much different for you to entertain a group of people with your magic, or one particular woman.
It's all for fun.
Magically Yours,
Krolikovod
P.S. And if you are a great guy, who just can't get women to notice how great you are. Or you're very successful in your life but just simply don't have it together when it comes to women ... Drop me an email and I will see if I can help you out
by saxmad » Feb 10th, '05, 12:14 
