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Postby TonyB » May 29th, '09, 10:53



Standard IQ tests measure the sort of thinking that is encouraged by the educational system, which is why there is a high corrolation between IQ and academic achievement. No one with a below average IQ will get into a PhD programme, and the average IQ among doctorates is over 130.
There is also a corrolation between earning potential and IQ, though this is less certain.
That does not mean that people with a lower IQ are in any way inferior to those with a high IQ. It just means their minds work a bit differently. Often they can have great gifts, including intellectual gifts, that are not measured by IQ tests.
A high-IQ brain can at times be a bit like a Ferrari. It is fast and flashy, but it won't pull a plough for you, or get your family and all their luggage to the beach.
One of the most rewarding experiences I have had was training a group with Downs Syndrome in public speaking. A number of them addressed several hundred doctors at a medical convention. They did a great job, expressing themselves clearly and logically - and with great conviction and humour.
IQ is essentially a measure of the ability to assimilate and process information in a specific way (a way favoured by our schools). It is nothing more than that.

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Postby Grimshaw » May 29th, '09, 13:09

I got into magic about 4 years ago. When i was 28. When i watched Paul Daniels as a kid i thought he really was a wizard, and as such meant his skills couldn't be learned, they had to be handed down by some kind of Master Sorcerer.

My brother had a magic set when we were very young, but didnt have the patience to make it work. Despite my wanting to play with it, any touching of my brother's possessions would result in a ' dead arm ' or worse. So i left it.

Tricks Of The Mind is a good book, but more of an introduction to several techniques than anything really revelatory.

Gotta love Derren's words though, ball bouncingly funny.

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Postby kolm » May 29th, '09, 13:50

I see a lot of people claiming this correlation between IQ and the price of a pink of milk, but I've seen no proof or names

TonyB, where's the studies that suggests this?
Craig, what was the study and who was your psychologist friend who did it?

"People who hail from Manchester cannot possibly be upper class and therefore should not use silly pretentious words"
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Postby MagicalSmithy » May 29th, '09, 14:01

Grimshaw wrote:I got into magic about 4 years ago. When i was 28. When i watched Paul Daniels as a kid i thought he really was a wizard, and as such meant his skills couldn't be learned, they had to be handed down by some kind of Master Sorcerer.

My brother had a magic set when we were very young, but didnt have the patience to make it work. Despite my wanting to play with it, any touching of my brother's possessions would result in a ' dead arm ' or worse. So i left it.

Tricks Of The Mind is a good book, but more of an introduction to several techniques than anything really revelatory.

Gotta love Derren's words though, ball bouncingly funny.


It is great as you learn little bits like how to rig a Quiji board by saying the names you want spelt..... which many take quite seriously.....but then you read on like 5 lines and your sides are splitting with his correlation of religious door knockers and lay people watching magic or a young person reason for becoming a magician.

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