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IAIN wrote:i especially liked them escaping a nuclear explosion via helicopter near the end...lets not worry about radiation poisoning or anything like that eh..just fly directly over it...

it just a badly done remake of Frankenstein's Monster if you ask me...

it would have been better if Bale and the aussie guy who played Marcus swopped roles...

As I said, plot holes and badly thought out stuff galore...

So far as the choppers go... why do the humans have choppers and the bots have 'hover' vehicles? Yeah, sure, the humans may not be as capable or intelligent as SkyNet, but surely there's a fatal flaw there...?

So far as radiation goes etc. the sonic boom was evident in the explosion, and being as helicopters work on air displacement, surely the sheer force of air moving away from the explosion (plus the heat, plus the radiation etc. etc.) would have been the least of their worries compared to the fact that the small, cobbled 'detonation' device was miraculously handed as a final thought to Bale by a mute character who—at the end—seemed to have served no other purpose whatsoever...?

The more and more I think of it, the more I am disappointed.

PLUS...

The 'molten metal' snaring of the T800 (aka 'the 1st Arnie') was a bit odd... consider this: metal over metal at melting temperature would SURELY have bonded better with like-metals at that temperature.
Plus, we presume the T800 was at 'room temperature'-ish before the metal was poured... thus, the result would be heat osmosis on contact—which would have meant instant intombment.

I'm just looking for flaws really.

seige wrote:the result would be heat osmosis on contact

What's heat osmosis?

wikipedia nor science sites offer any info - so, yeah what is heat osmosis?

i cannot help but think of derek and clive whenever i hear of osmosis...

Heat osmosis

Considering the amount of flak this film is getting at the moment I will provide a little defense for it.

An argument in the last few posts has been about the nuclear explosion at the end and about the radiation. This is easily countered by the fact that the original storyline states that judgement day is when many nuclear warheads are detonated throughout the world. If we're going into radiation then most of the world would still be uninhabitable and that's without thinking about radiation clouds etc... the point is that it wipes the place out regardless of radiation and that plothole has been carried on through all the Terminator films from the original script not just this last incarnation.

With regards to Connors character it looks as if people are surprised that he's not so afraid of Terminators anymore. I fail to see how you were surprised by this given the last 3 films and the fact that this film is clearly set at least a decade after T3. That would give anyone enough time to come to terms with things even if they hadn't known how it was going to play out.

CGI and the limitations of "world making" were also mentioned and this point I can concede. For the first two Terminator films when we see clips from the future war it is shown to us always at night and almost seems like a closed world that is very small. This was most likely done because of technical limitations then but it does create quite an atmosphere. Now with CGI there is no way they would have gotten away with making a small world, world war I esk trenches type setting when people expect to see how the whole world has changed (even through they confined the film to California). With CGI and technological advances the film makers were able to show more of the future war world and this meant that it doesn't feel like you're going to walk into a Terminator or HK everytime you walk around the corner.

Finally I'm not sure what heat osmosis is. Osmosis is the diffusion specifically of water so heat osmosis would make no sense unless it was meant as heat diffusion, though even that would mean heat energy passing from a concentrated area of heat to low density areas (what all energy does anyway).

Something I forgot was someone mentioned about the Terminators being easily destroyed opposed to the older films. This is easily explained because the Terminators in this film are not as advanced. I think the year in the older films was 2029 and this one was set in 2019 (correct if wrong). Arnie's model looks to be a prototype that they are now only just making which would make sense given Kyle Reese's age. From the first Terminator film Kyle Reese (Michael Biehn) states that John Connor taught them how to smash the Terminators into junk (semi-quote) and started the whole resistance. That seems to be around the time this film is set.

Hope that clears up a lot of stuff.

pcwells wrote:The Dark Knight was a 12, and it was one of the most vicious movies I've seen in a long time.

It was a 12A!

The DVD release is a 12 (they often knock the DVD rating up a category, if it was a 12A or 12 on release).

the other thing that bugged me about the film, was that the power cells that work the old terminators...there were only 4 or 5 on that little table to cause the explosion...

nuclear powered apparently...

so when you make a terminator go bang-bang, how come theres no real big explosion?

I'm not looking for a real answer...just wanted to pull more holes in the film...

shame, i think this the only blot on bale's acting career so far...i hope he does something more worthwhile in the next one...

IAIN wrote:shame, i think this the only blot on bale's acting career so far...i hope he does something more worthwhile in the next one...

Ahem I did want to bring this up but I am compelled to....Reign Of Fire

although to it's credit I think matthew McConaughey did keep his shirt on for most of that movie which is a rarity.

Mc.G strikes again (for Terminator not the Dragon movie)

What is heat osmosis?

http://www.answers.com/topic/osmosis

I used the term to describe the rapid absorption of the heat from the molten metal into the obviously cooler metal frame of the T800. The rapid heat transfer—I assume—would instantly cool the molten metal on contact, hardening it. At the same time, the T800's frame would absorb the heat and the two differing temperatures would try and balance out.

I am sure the result would mean pretty much instant cocooning of the T800 in the molten metal.

I guess I used the wrong word, but I knew what I meant

Conduction, then

As for the rest, it would depend very much on the melting points of the two metals, and their conductivity. I don't know what they will make robots in the future so I don't have any figures for you.

yddraig wrote:Saw the ad for the playstation game Red Faction Guerrilla, sounds and looks like Total Recall for the new gen.

I agree, it is a fantastic film and doesn't need reworking. Do you think it's writers being lazy " i know, well rehash [Insert Name of Classic Film Here], we cant think of another plot" or is it down to the producers and financiers not willing to invest in too many new ideas and prefer to back a previous winning formula with added special effects...... Shame

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That game makes me want a playstation 3.

Ted wrote:Conduction, then

As for the rest, it would depend very much on the melting points of the two metals, and their conductivity. I don't know what they will make robots in the future so I don't have any figures for you.

Yep, conduction is much better

As for the metals, we can only assume that the molten metal being used was the same metal used to make the Terminators, ergo, it means that the melting temperature of the T800 would be the same as the molten metal.

Once the heat was *conducted* we must presume that the T800 would have reached near melting point, so why didn't it melt?

For instance, with my limited knowledge of electronics, I know that during soldering you don't heat the solder and apply to the receiving surface—you heat the receiving surface and then apply the cold solder to it. The solder then bonds to the surface.

Anyway, I think you get my point! The film was made under the presumption that the viewing audience forgo all ideas about modern physics principles in the hope that in 20 years time everything we know about physics, computers and life will have changed sufficiently to allow them the artistic licence they needed.

If it had been 100 years in the future, it may have been more credible!

so, can we just all agree that the film was a bit s**t and be done with it?

It can't have been worse than T3. Surely not.

Well, I enjoyed it! If approached as something completely different to T1 and T2 then it's certainly a very watchable film.

And as for the physics, as a physicist and sci-fi fan, I've got used to the science in films being c*** (not the best) and tend to ignore it unless it is too blatant!