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Lenoir wrote:

FRK wrote:HELP!!! , do people still think god is real...

Give me a break..

Slow down there. People are entitled to believe what they want.

True. Including FRK, of course.

aporia wrote:Well I'm convinced.

You do know that William Shakespeare actually wrote the KJV bible?

the proof is in Psalm 46. The 46th word from the start is Shake and the 46th word from the end is spear. Bill was 46 when the KJV was finalised --- born in 1564.

Or something

Sure... and how much of the book and its history have you actually studied?

I don't mean read about in this or that magazine or cynic's circle, but actually invested time with genuine theologians and historians STUDYING???

Yes, the King James (more appropriately "Queen" James) version of the canon is recognizes as the least accurate of all translations ever composed, but to say old Will wrote it is simply proving that you are easily lead by the nose by conspiracy patrons.

Actual historians and scholars do theorize that one part of Psalms MAY have been "edited" (so to speak) by the Bard but the majority of the text they believe to have been wrongly credited to a yet to be proven to exist King David but rather came from an Egyptian source -- the Psalms to the Aten by King Aknauten. Then again, the flood tales along side Moses and most of the old Testament do have far older parallels from throughout the middle east, the Indus Valley and portions of southern Asia -- the Genesis tale and related parables all come from such sources, giving a facet of an Androgynous Deity worships by the people of Kashmir the oldest recorded creation credentials known to exist, which are nearly word for word the first of the two primary creation myths found in the bible (yes, there are actually two completely different explanations that were ALLOWED into the existing canon plus a minimum of three others that were discarded due to their gnostic ties).

I find it quite amazing, the number of renown scholars that history has known well into the early decades of the 20th century, all of them versed in the scriptures and in some instances even the traditions of other lands and peoples. Yet, in this present cynical era of human history we find a myriad of self-professed intellects that would blindly condemn such teachings based solely on what they've been told to believe about it rather than what they KNOW from first hand study... and yet such folks would classify others for being "ignorant" and even "foolish" because they were brave enough to do what the "learned" persecutors have failed to do themselves.

I'm far from being a bible thumper and the fact that I detest Organized Religion in all forms is a matter of record. BUT, I can't help but see just how far down the scale of class, honor and integrity this world has fallen since our families stopped being such and the children of such lost institutions left void of such lessons and perspectives. It's actually quite disheartening in that the study and reading of the Bible and even the Koran have been linked to the same wonder as we find in the reading of the Bard's various works, the contributions of Homer, Socrates and numerous others old and new.

If you would slander something then at least have the guts to have studied it from all angles so that your claims and points of view stem from your own conclusions rather than what you've been told to believe by others whose approval you wish to know or as a matter of current vogue, the latter proving more the case now days than not.

nickj wrote:Ah, statistics! Most people have more than the average number of legs (and before anyone picks me up, I'm talking about the mean).

Most people also have an above average number of arms, eyes, ears, and so on and so on, but a below average number of nipples!
Did you also know that the average person considers themself to be an above judge of character?

A couple of weeks ago my dad was telling me about his schools latest inspection and how they were disappointed that half the kids were performing below average. ...yeah...

Lawrence wrote:Did you also know that the average person considers themself to be an above judge of character?

A couple of weeks ago my dad was telling me about his schools latest inspection and how they were disappointed that half the kids were performing below average. ...yeah...

I think that most people also think that they are of above average intelligence; in my considered opinion, most people are actually below an acceptable level of intelligence.

And as for your dad's school, my head has started asking for the median mark in the exam results for each class, so I expect a similar complaint soon!

Craig Browning wrote:I'm far from being a bible thumper and the fact that I detest Organized Religion in all forms is a matter of record. BUT, I can't help but see just how far down the scale of class, honor and integrity this world has fallen since our families stopped being such and the children of such lost institutions left void of such lessons and perspectives. It's actually quite disheartening in that the study and reading of the Bible and even the Koran have been linked to the same wonder as we find in the reading of the Bard's various works, the contributions of Homer, Socrates and numerous others old and new.

Well said!

Infinite wrote:But Math is ALWAYS true.

Which is why I believe in statistics.

99% of all statistics are just made up at the time!

Wishmaster wrote:

Craig Browning wrote:I'm far from being a bible thumper and the fact that I detest Organized Religion in all forms is a matter of record. BUT, I can't help but see just how far down the scale of class, honor and integrity this world has fallen since our families stopped being such and the children of such lost institutions left void of such lessons and perspectives. It's actually quite disheartening in that the study and reading of the Bible and even the Koran have been linked to the same wonder as we find in the reading of the Bard's various works, the contributions of Homer, Socrates and numerous others old and new.

Well said!

Interestingly, I found a lot of useful ideas in Buddhist Dharma but detest dogma, and refuse to accept anyone else's assertions as truth just because they're supposed to be more important than me.

And, if I understand things correctly, that makes me an orthodox Buddhist fundamentalist, right?

Edit: actually, we won't go there

Farlsborough wrote:Edit: actually, we won't go there

Truly you are an enlightened soul.

I could only sit through the first three minutes or thereabouts, but sheesh!

The Latin, Cyrillic, and Greek alphabets all come ultimately from the Phoenician, by the way. Parts of the Phoenician alphabet may have been borrowed from the Egyptian. (Our letter N, for instance, is thought to come from the Egyptian letter N, a zigzag representing a wave of water.) So the guy wasn't exactly a million miles away.

English and Egyptian do have some very strange coincidental similarities in their grammar. Maybe I should put something about this on YouTube?

If you found him amusing, have a read of The Bible Code. It's so persuasively written you can almost believe it, at least while you're reading it.

Hours of similar fun can be had browsing Crank Dot Net.

The "Bible Code" as you are referring to it, is most certainly questionable at best. But we do need to remember that most all sacred writings of old contain a series of "codes" or ways of reading and translating them. If we are to buy into the thing of legend, there are "Seven Keys" to enlightenment e.g. 7 different ways of looking at and interpreting the scriptures. Most of us already being familiar with the allegorical elements and even some of the Numerology that exists therein (though a couple of different types of numerology are actually involved; the Hebraic correspondences and the added Pythagorean elements that were inset sometime during the second and third century as things were being translated and again in the 5th & 6th centuries as a more formal "canon" was being brought together).

What most aren't aware of is how the original Gospels were not laid out in the conventional format we know of today; there were actual geometric patterns created by the words that offered yet another layer of meaning to the compilation.

The most documented "problem" when it comes to alternative perspectives and the bible (or most any "holy" text) is the fact that scribes as well as orators traditionally changed the names, places and other elements around an event so as to make it more acceptable and "personalized" to the audience they were pandering to. That is one of the reasons (in theory) we find so many parallels between characters like the biblical Sampson and Hercules. Ironically, Hercules has a legacy that places him into numerous time periods, including the days of Rome's Christianization and ties to the Druids.

When it comes to "The Bible Code" I can see how the premise came to mind and how personal enthusiasm could blind "researchers" from seeing the flaws in their system. There are some very valid claims sewn in and around the theory itself. Unfortunately, much is taken out of perspective and not being applied as the old scribes originally intended. Too, I don't recall if or not the authors of this work take into account the fact that most of the Old Testament was rewritten by the Essene following the Babylonian captivity e.g. there is no one straight line of the teachings or traditions outside of memory-based preservation over a number of generations (something that runs in gross contrast to the more common historic claims enveloping the Talmud)

I should add too, the fact that the Essene deliberately added familiar mythos to their accounts so as to show just how much the Hibru people had in common with the rest of the "ruling class" of the world. This is why we find the parallels around the Genesis story, Moses, Noah and even Abraham himself. The original Essene compilation being penned for the Library at Alexandra at the request of (memory serving me right) Ptolemy's son (I honestly can't recall all those details and no longer have the reference books, but the details can be found I'd think).

Anywho... just some food for thought.

What is scarier...it was "Recommended for me" on youtube

i could have sworn our alphabet came from the ogham alphabet?

Anyway - he had a delightful syrup on his nogging didnt he...good luck to him i say if thats what i believe...

but for me, it just doesnt add up...