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I stumbled into some information on stacking a deck, and it called itself the "Masters system" Has anyone else heard of it, and if so, do you use it, what types of situations do you apply it. I have been messing around with it, but am not sure how or if I want to apply it.

I like it.

If it is the same system I know, it is useful. It takes some practice, but the basic principle is that you can determine the value of any card by it's position in the deck relative to some other card.

So say there is a random cut, if you can sneak a peak at the bottom of the top packet, you can determine the value of the card selected. This is the VERY basic use, there are a lot of other more complicated calculations that can be done.

The Pros:

1) When seen face up the cards do not appear to be in any particular order.

2) The deck can be cut as many times as you want with out disturbing the cards relationship.

The Cons:

1) No interlacing shuffles can be used

2) The deck must be set up in advance, because it takes about 1 min or so to do it. (Because of this I have contemplated buying empty card packs and plastic rappers to gaff and seal the deck, does anyone do this? And how well does it work?)

3) Some of the more complicated calculations can take a second, especially at first. In light of this I find that the tricks usually lend themselves to a kind of mentalism. You can calculate while "reading their mind."

All in all it is not a bad thing to know. It is relatively easy to learn, and once learned it is undetectable.

That sounds like the system I am talking about......I find it interesting, buy you are right it takes time to set it up. As far as setting it up in advance goes, I stumbled into some package sealing lables.....they are from the international playing card company. If I remember it right, I think they cost $3.00 for 20 stickers. That would allow you to open the pack, set it up, and then reseal it with a sticker. The layman would not suspect a thing.

As far as not being able to use any type of riffle shuffles, I have a few types of false riffle shuffles in my repetoire, as well as some very convincing full deck control shuffles.

Do you use any false shuffles, etc?

A lot of false cuts... I do use false shuffles that can preserve potions of the deck, but I have no shuffles that would preserve the card order. Can you give me some names?

*The above is an embarrassing admission*

Hey Jeremy....

Firstly let me start by saying that I have picked some of the false shuffles up by watching magic specials on TV, watching videos, etc, and messing around by myself. I am sure that none of the ones I have come up with are by any means unique, so I do not claim to have created them. I do have some references for you though, others I will try to find out who has a similar style, and try to reference it for you that way......the one I am in the process of trying to "polish up" for performance use is by Dai Vernon. It is called "Triumph false shuffle" I beleive. It is a method of riffle shuffling the deck, but actually maintaining the entire order of the deck. I will get back to you with some others when i can come up with a reasonable reference name for the others!

This is a memorized deck,

Does this use a system called CHaSeD

Is it Mneumonic

or just memorization, and there are plenty of false shuffles you can use,
perferrably the zarrow or pushthrough

CHaSeD, and number system.

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I have it and it really helps me out
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Wow, know that is a sales pitch.

Ya but seriously......no relation

So, it's in ChaSeD order, yet no one will spot that it's stacked?

There are three main modern memorised stacks which I know of, being Mnemonica and the Aronson and Joyal stacks. There are others, of course.

One day I'll actually get round to comparing the three...

So, it's in ChaSeD order, yet no one will spot that it's stacked?

Not at a glance no. I suppose if you let them really look and think about it, and provided them with the opportunity then maybe they would see THAT pattern. But even still, adjacent cards differing values, regardless of suit order, is misleading. I think it would appear normal
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ive used the master system quite many times alredy.i used lots of fake shuffles as convincers to the audience.almost all fake shuffles from the lennart green - green magic vol 1

there are some good mentalism style effects that can be accomplished with the master's system.

If I recognize this correctly, this is the Si Stebbins stack. I use it a lot, as it takes me no more than 2 minutes to set up, and I can just leave the deck stacked for a quick "pick a card, don't tell me it's the jack of hearts" trick . I quite like that one, actually. Everyone thinks it's marked cards, and only one person (out of about 20 I've shown it to) has got that the deck was stacked, and then only after several tries.

Kati