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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMGIbOGu8q0&eurl=http://derrenbrownart.com/blog/&feature=player_embedded

It's so brilliant, and so true.

Mitchell & Webb did a homoeopathic Casualty sketch last night. Satire at its finest.

i've often wondered, if i had a widdle into the ocean, does that mean every watery connected mass is now my widdle on some level?

IAIN wrote:i've often wondered, if i had a widdle into the ocean, does that mean every watery connected mass is now my widdle on some level?

Yes. Yes it does. Homoeopathically, we're all drinking your warm widdle.

I'd rub your nose in it but you'd probably enjoy that.

just be grateful that i didnt do a No.3!

IAIN wrote:just be grateful that i didnt do a No.3!

I'm not even going to ask

To be fair, you need to bash the water receptacle three times before anything takes effect. It's still plainly b*ll*cks though.

I read somewhere that from a statistical point of view, every glass of water should contain at least one molecule that has passed through every creature that has ever urinated. From a homeopathic perspective then (bearing in mind that the more diluted something is, the strong it's effect apparently) drinking tap water is liking having a herd of elephants pass water directly into your mouth.

I don't want to sound like a hypochondriac or something, but that doesn't sound like it's good for me.

You should also keep in the back of your mind that colonic irrigation is also really popular at the moment so if the thought of elephant wee doesn't make you question homeopathy, then maybe a pipe load from Ben Affleck's rear end might give you pause for thought.

Mr_Grue wrote:To be fair, you need to bash the water receptacle three times before anything takes effect.

What with tides and storms, the ocean should manage that well enough.

I just love all the "open minds" on this forums

Craig Browning wrote:I just love all the "open minds" on this forums

Any mind open enough to accept homeopathy as effective will already have escaped its owner's possession.

The very principle behind homeopathy is so fundamentally flawed that, in my opinion, anyone making money from claims that it works should be liable to prosecution for fraud. Anyone who believes they have been helped by homeopathy is deluded and anyone who knows its principles and continues to believe that it could have any benefit whatsoever needs some basic science lessons. There is no element of the supernatural or "faith" involved in this; based entirely on fact, not opinion, homeopathy is wrong.

If you really want to see what happens when you fully open your mind, you could check out whale.to but you'll what to give your brain an enema afterwards. I'd recommend virus scanning your computer afterwards too... Actually, I'd really recommend forgetting I'd ever mention that stupid website. Forget I mentioned it. Check out Bad Science instead.

And yet the idea behind it is used in "legit" medical science day in and out... or are we discounting the idea behind vaccines and those antidotes, such as that used for snake bite?

If you have hay fever and eat the honey harvested from your area along with the fruits and veggies from that region, the majority of your symptoms will go away if not completely. This is homeopathic reality as it has been practiced for THOUSANDS of years under the ruse of herbology and midwifery. It is likewise the premise behind much of how the pharmaceutical industry operates when it comes to the development of the legitimized treatments we know today... primarily due to the litigation and organization that occurred in the late 19th and early 20th century via which the horticulture based modes of treatment were essentially outlawed. The vary same laws now manipulated (along side huge propaganda actions) to pull certain items off the public access shelf so that "the industry" can profit from it... L-tryptophan being a big example.

Yes, I question things like the Bach Flower systems and some of the claims "squeezed" into the idea of homeopathy, but unlike some I do leave the door open as the result of both, experience and research in the area and thus, I cannot toss one big blanket over the idea as we see being done in this thread. To my mind such antics are the very demonstration of stupidity... in that it is a voluntary position one has adopted when not weighing in an honest manner, either side of the issue itself and simply discounting it based on one collection of ideas that each share the same basic point of view.

When someone believes in an idea they should be willing to look at ALL of the data and not be afraid of what they might discover that challenges their personal preferences and understandings. This way they can say that they honestly KNOW something rather than accepting what they've been told to believe.

I'm sorry Craig, normally I don't respond to your posts when I disagree with you on a matter where "open mindedness" is an issue, but I'm afraid I'm in the wrong mood this afternoon.

The idea behind vaccines and the like is superficially similar to that of homeopathy in some ways; for example, a small quantity of the active ingredient may be used. However, they actually work! There is sufficient quantity of the active ingredient used for the immune to respond and build up the appropriate antibodies which are then stored and provide us with the ability to resist the initial infection of whatever disease has been vaccinated against.

The honey remedy is mostly anecdotal and I'd be surprised if any scientific investigation found the presence of pollen in the honey to have any bearing on its ability to help hayfever sufferers since the pollen does not behave in the same way as viruses or bacteria.

Antivenoms are produced by invenomating an animal and allowing its immune system to respond then harvesting the antibidies produced from the blood.

None of these are what is claimed by homeopathy, in which a substance known to produce similar symptoms to those suffered by the dupe is diluted, often to the point where not a single molecule of that substance remains, and then administering it. It cannot be effective, no-matter what its proponents say.

I'm "open-minded" to new ideas that stand a cat's chance in hell of being right. The door has been closed on homeopathy so many times that anybody who still believes in it has either grossly misunderstood it, or worse still, has understood it and chosen to believe it anyway.

I couldn't believe it when I heard the NHS funded homeopathy. Why not have NHS-funded crystal healing? Or perhaps NHS-funded "wish yourself better"? All you hear on the news is stories that the NHS is struggling, and yet they're still throwing good money after almost incalculably bad by funding that utter drivel.