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Robbie wrote:The forum has been over and over this in many different threads, which is why we're not keen to start yet again. A good place to start is by reading Craig Browning's essay "What's the Difference?". Unfortunately, this is in the Mentalists Only section.

There's no actual exposure in this essay. Maybe it should come out from behind closed doors and be placed in "Miscellaneous" or "Support and Tips" so more people can read it.

My point has been made here, which is there is no difference.

So feel free to move on.

And thanks for the thought about Mr Browning's essay, however, his verbose style and belief in homeopathy would prejudice me against anything he wrote, so happy to leave that behind.

I wasn't actually asking for what the difference was, I just wanted to show there is no difference - in terms of the point I made originally.

Anyhoo, back to Brown.

He has some great work on OOTW on his DVD, I would love it if he made the living and dead thing to LOOK like it was OOTW to mess with magicians. That would be amusing.

However, it is a very clever application of a magic principle in a mindreading presentation.

Any other tricks we could do the same thing with?

I'm obsessed with the Piano Trick. Derek Del Gaudio does a brilliant version of this with socks I think John Lenerhen originated that.

How could you use the piano trick in a mind reading/mentalism presentation?

Or any other card classics.

How could you use the piano trick in a mind reading/mentalism presentation?

I suppose that if you controlled the order of the cards, reffering to one hand as heaven, and the other as earth, you could show that two good souls travel.

daleshrimpton wrote:

How could you use the piano trick in a mind reading/mentalism presentation?

I suppose that if you controlled the order of the cards, reffering to one hand as heaven, and the other as earth, you could show that two good souls travel.

I like that.

FairieSnuff wrote:

jim ferguson wrote:The effect your talking about is a version of Paul Curry's Out of This World. There are numerous versions of this effect and the original can be found in Paul Curry's classic book 'Worlds Beyond'. If you listen to Derren just after the photo's are turned over he actually says ''that was.....out of this world''

Errr Exposure ??...

Why do people (and im not singling Jim out here, this has happened many many times the last few weeks) feel they have the right to expose another performers method like this?...

Sure discuss with others learning, but this forum is an OPEN forum.

You have just revealed a possible method.

Now im not going to debate about red herrings because that is as much as part of his method as the actual performing method.

It just really gets my goat that because someone is in the public eye they can have their work openly given out like this to ANYONE.

Maybe im being sensitive, i dunno, i am what i am.

But this sort of thing really makes me not want to share anything with anyone...

F x

Hi Fairiesnuff. My post wasn't meant to be exposure at all, as you would have to be familiar with the method of Out Of This World to understand what i meant. On hindsight however, and after reading your your thoughts and those of Mr Grue, i can see that my post could possibly be seen as such. Please understand i am as much against exposure as the majority here.

damianjennings wrote:

daleshrimpton wrote:

How could you use the piano trick in a mind reading/mentalism presentation?

I suppose that if you controlled the order of the cards, reffering to one hand as heaven, and the other as earth, you could show that two good souls travel.

I like that.

oh Flip!!

Ive just re red my post... I prommised myself I would never get into gospel magic!

I suppose another way would be to have cards with the word "thoughts" written on them. one hand is yours, the other hand is theirs. And you use the effect of cards jumping, to illustrate how you can transmit thoughts.

What else comes in pairs?

Obv socks, as I said.

Animals in the ark? Snap, no gospel.

Boobies?

Girls going to the loo in pubs?

Um

I think Penn & Teller did a version of it that didn't use cards at all, they used cockroaches! As long as you have a bunch of similar looking things, you could do it with anything.

damianjennings wrote:What else comes in pairs?

Horny worms.

A J Irving wrote:I think Penn & Teller did a version of it that didn't use cards at all, they used cockroaches! As long as you have a bunch of similar looking things, you could do it with anything.

Good point well made.

So, how could we apply that to something seemingly classically mentalist such as a living or dead test.

jim ferguson wrote: Hi Fairiesnuff. My post wasn't meant to be exposure at all, as you would have to be familiar with the method of Out Of This World to understand what i meant. On hindsight however, and after reading your your thoughts and those of Mr Grue, i can see that my post could possibly be seen as such. Please understand i am as much against exposure as the majority here.

I didnt for one moment assume you were or were not like others.

If no one says anything, then nothing may change, tis all.

Think if you took a N*** W**** and spent ages hiding its use and creating something pretty fab for someone on a forum to go, oh yeah its just a NW... How piddled off would you be?...

F x

Good point Fairiesnuff, and i totally agree

FairieSnuff wrote:Think if you took a N*** W**** and spent ages hiding its use and creating something pretty fab for someone on a forum to go, oh yeah its just a NW... How piddled off would you be?...

F x

It wouldn't happen.

That is why forums where pros tend to go, like genii, tsd, etc are totally fine about discussing methods and writing things like nail writer.

going back to magic vs. mentalism...well, its obvious innit..

mentalism wins...

ah some of your faces right now are a picture

damianjennings wrote:

FairieSnuff wrote:Think if you took a N*** W**** and spent ages hiding its use and creating something pretty fab for someone on a forum to go, oh yeah its just a NW... How piddled off would you be?...

F x

It wouldn't happen.

That is why forums where pros tend to go, like genii, tsd, etc are totally fine about discussing methods and writing things like nail writer.

Errrr scroll to the front of the thread?...

Either way, ive said my point of view on it, that wont change as im sure neither will some people either.

F x

IAIN wrote:
mentalism wins...

I concur. Your feeble sponge balls are as nothing compared to my mighty tarot cards.