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oh for gawd's sake...

everyone states their opinion as fact, because it is fact in their own version of the world...simple...

now, in my world the shows were a mix of good and bad, and probably would have benefitted from some editing down/effects cut out...40 min shows a piece would have kept it snappier...

there, my opinion stated as fact, because it is as far as I'm concerned...it doesnt mean that its correct in your world...but we all have to remember that *that* is ok...

Klangster1971 wrote:I'm don't think Paul suggested he stated a fact - just that, in his opinion, the show simply wasn't very good.

If he had put "in my opinion" or "I felt" or "I thought" then I wouldn't have made the post.

He said:

"It just wasn't very good."

Klangster1971 wrote:Glad you're back on Damian

Thanks. Been away in Amsterdam.

Klangster1971 wrote:- what was it you meant when you said that Derren had 'won'? I know there's been a few messages since then and I was afraid you'd missed my question.

He had the cheque for 175k or whatever the sum was. I think that's what I meant. But as I said, I've been in Amsterdam, so god knows!

Oh OK.

Ignore me.

You all seem to think I am mental for thinking one should write "I think".

So clearly I am in the wrong here, never mind, sorry.

just calm down dear...

this is a forum, thats all...

i suppose people dont like being challanged or being drawn into an argument over something as trivial as sharing an opinion...

have a cup of tea or something, do some press ups, and just dont care so much...

Sorry. It was my opinion, not a fact. I only said what I said because these DB threads are going nowhere but around in circles. When you get to the point where people are discussing year old trailers as being possible sources of information that could explain what the shows were actually all about, it is my opinion that things have gone too far.

Now I'm all in favour of things going too far. But this is getting silly.

All of which is my opinion, and is of course not a fact.

is that a fact?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH0lraX7Hmk

calm down people, I think it's time to chill out and relax...

A J Irving wrote:I could be missing the point but it's not an angle I'd thought about before. Maybe the idea behind the final event was to demonstrate how an individual could convince a member of the public to hand over £5,000 to them just because they said they could win them more money and then pocket it when they 'lose' it at the 'casino'.

I mentioned something similar about one of the earlier shows on a different thread.


If you look at each of them in turn, they are all popular "scams" which have been shown to be "proven".

Trying to think of the words to explain it, so bear with me;

Predicting Lottery - a parody (to my mind at least) of the guides showing you how to predict the lottery.

Stuck to your Seat - the power of suggestion, not in the "literally could not move" sense more of if you tell a lie to enough people some will almost certainly confirm it as true (a good example of this was Aeris dying in FF VII and there being people who were adamant they had found a way to resurrect her even though it had got to the stage where Square had publicly announced it was impossible and had been planned to be possible but they had run out of time before the release date - for those of you that played it, you'll know what I mean).

Psychic Spy - just a typical psychic's are phoney's episode.

Roulette - another parody of the ability to "learn a system".

When you follow the episodes through like this, especially when you add in the apparent situation that DB scammed some sucker for £5,000, it makes a lot of sense to look at the events as being a social experiment of the public's gullibility, especially to the infallible Derren Brown.

I'm sure if I told someone I had hoodwinked them out of £5,000 but not to worry I was going to turn it on to £175,000 on a roulette wheel they would have a lot more to say then - Oh okay.

Think that makes sense, in fact thinking it through like that makes the whole thing much more satisfying to me but I enjoyed it anyway.

I agree with Ant, for me the DB tv stuff of the last couple of years has all been preaching of the best sort, that is to say you don't know you've had a parable presented to you until you think about what actually happened in the context of the presenter's beliefs.

And that's a fact.

bronz wrote:And that's a fact.