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I have learnt the socks off of this trick for the last three years, and I can perform it competantly. I just thought i'd start the thread to see if anyone else performs it (if not perform, just have the ability to do it), and what do you do with your routine.

I think it is such a great trick if you are showing it to the right person. I get the idea, with gambling demo's. Some peeople will just not want to know at all.

And what convincers do people use, if any? I use up the ladder, a push through shuffle and some nice table cuts. Nothing too fancy

Are we talking Ortiz?

Yes we certainly are