talkmagic.co.uk

Just wondering on folks' opinions on the backslip sleight. I've learned it, can do it without any snapping of cards etc etc, but Im not so confident of it. Maybe its just my insight into it, but I get serious Magicians Guilt when performing this move.

What are people's experiences with this sleight, is it worth bothering with or is there a better alternative?

Its a great move and if performed well should be indetectable to a layman.

I dont use it often but I do like the move.

Lee.

I'm always surprised at how shy magicians are with it. Although I am not a fan of the backslip force, I know a few professional magicians who perform it regularly.

As a move in general, I think it becomes redundant once you begin to further your technical knowledge, but it is certainly a useful sleight.

Lenoir wrote:I'm always surprised at how shy magicians are with it. Although I am not a fan of the backslip force, I know a few professional magicians who perform it regularly.

As a move in general, I think it becomes redundant once you begin to further your technical knowledge, but it is certainly a useful sleight.

Agreed,

I always use a R****e Force everytime, must of done it hundreds and thousands of times and never once has anyone said anything.

I am a classic force man myself, I have it down to a fine art!

But in situations where the force is absolutely essential, the riffle is definitely definitely the way to go. I've also never been a fan of the forces that consist of counting, turning over packets, counting, remembering...

If a card is to be picked, do it as is natural.

My favourite force is the Tamariz spread force of any suit, or a small group of cards. No technical ability at all, just balls!

Thanks for the feedback guys. I was thinking of using it less like a force, more as a quick top control if anything, as the main control I use at the moment is the overhand, so I wanted something a little different.

Good to know its not as suspect as I thought it might be. I've got it down pretty smooth, so I'll try it out a few times in place or as well as the overhand in a basic effect, see how it plays out for me.

It sounds like you may be going down that road of giving the audience too much credit. It was the same when the hindu shuffle force was debated. Was that on here? Can't remember. Anyway, it does seem ridiculous that someone would fall for the hindu shuffle force, but they do.

Same with the backslip. Just talk over it, misdirect and you'll be fine.

I am constantly surprised at some of the things you can get away with just by looking up and talking to the spec. When I learned the top change I was astounded at how blatant it seemed, but do it smoothly with a bit of eye contact and its so effective.

I'll just try this out on my dad tomorrow. That man has the eyes of a hawk (though, granted, he is utterly convinced that everything I do involves palming, yet never seems to catch me when I actually do it. Not sure he even knows what it is )

I use it all the time, it's just a matter of confidence. It helps if, when making a genuine selection of a card, you essentially do the same movements as you would when doing the backslip, but don't backslip anything. This will familiarise the audience with the actions involve, so when the actual force comes the audience assumes you are repeating the same fair process.

It's my preferred choice of force to be honest, I use it in one routine as a control as well.

Iain Moran shows on his Covert Magic dvd an alternative handling of the backslip force which is very nice and deceptive.

I think the back slip works really nicely. It's another one of those sleights that might need a little misdirection but it's happening at a time when the spec isn't going to excpect anything funny going on.

Is the backslip the same as the slip force? IE the deck is held in one hand riffling down with the thumb then you remove the top packet with your other hand while doing something sneaky?

If so, that's the force I use most of the time. Done it tens of thousands of times now, never been busted.

That sounds awfully like the backslip yes. You can use it either as a force or a top control.

I've actually tried it out a few times the last couple of days and its done alright for itself. I just used it in an off beat, totally fine and a good way to top control. Don't know what I was worrying about! Still not used it as a force, but Im pretty comfortable with how I force at the moment anyways so I dont really need the backslip for that.

When it comes to performing in front of real people in the real world, you would have to go a long way to find a control to beat the back slip or riffle force for ease of use, reliabilty and effectiveness. They have to be in my top five controls.

dgm

I use the Backslip all the time, and use the Riffle very regularly as well... I've never been caught doing either of them, and I'm not exactly a pro card handler. But if it's not broke don't fix it!