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I am searching for the best busking book and dvd

Postby danielboden02 » Dec 2nd, '09, 08:26



Which busking book or DVD:
Hey!
I decided to start a trip around the world and I want to earn some money with busking (not just for living, but for extra money) :-) I have 2 years of experience with close up magic (not busking, just for fun in clubs or for friends) and now I want to buy some books or DVDs to get some tips and tricks for busking.
I have read in a magic forum the following recommendations:
DVDs:
The School of busking
Art Of Krowd Keeping – Gazzo
Street Theatre
Jim Paces Book for Restaurant Workers
Live at the Jailhouse DVD set
David Stones Real Secrets of Magic
David Stones Table Hopping Secrets[
Jay Sankeys Real Work on Restaurants and bars.
The Magic Menu years 1-5

Books:
Maximum Entertainment - Ken Weber
Strong Magic -
[Designing Miracles -
Highway to Success - Ian Quick & Elliot Smith
The Fitzkee Trilogy : Showmanship for Magicians, The Tick Brain, and Magic by Misdirection - Dariel Fitzkee
Find the Stuff That's You - Chris Carey
Tarbell Course in Magic: Volume 1-8
Books of Wonder Volume 1-2 - Tommy Wonder

I have read awesome feedback of the 3 DVDs School of busking, but I don’t want to pay $100, this is a little bit too much for me as a traveler.
No the question to all experienced magicians: Which is the best DVD and the best book I should see and read first in my special situation as a world trip busking magician? Or what’s your top 3 DVDs and books? For example I don’t want to carry heavy and huge things with me because I am a traveller.
I made my first busking experience Saturday night and earned $50 in 3 hours. I was pretty amazed! But this was just from group to group. It is my dream to create a show for 10, 20, 30 or more people and need tips for that. I also want to become better in presentation / how should I introduce myself that the audience REALLY gets curious and WANT to see my awesome magic
Thanks for the tips!
Dan

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Postby IanKendall » Dec 2nd, '09, 09:30

If you want to busk your way around the world I would recommend that you get a couple of years' experience busking at home first. Audiences change from place to place, and you will need the experience to be able to alter your show on the fly.

When I arrived in Sydney in 93 I found that my show which had worked in the UK was all but useless and I had to start again pretty much from scratch. Being able to do that is not the kind of thing you get from books or DVDs.

If you do not want to invest 100 dollars in a career, then I would suggest that the career is not for you. Sorry to be so blunt, but it is better you hear this before you head off than when you are broke in a strange town.

If you still want to go, get the Busking School DVDs and Gazzo's book on Krowd Keeping. None of the others on your list will do you any good at all on the street.

Take care, Ian

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Postby Le Petit Bateleur » Dec 2nd, '09, 10:13

Hi Ian;

Out of curiosity, why / how was the Australian crowd different from the UK one? same language, same culture etc...

Never thought about that before, interresting.

Thanks
LP.

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Postby IanKendall » Dec 2nd, '09, 11:38

It's a very different sense of humour and mindset. None of the lines that worked in the UK worked over there, and I had to rewrite the show.

Conversely, when I came home, I had to change the show again.

Street performing is not easy, and anyone who tells you otherwise is selling something.

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Postby aporia » Dec 2nd, '09, 15:25

You could buy Peter Wardell's Crowd Puller.
http://www.circlecitymagic.com/product. ... uctid=1276
It's pretty good. Filmed in Covent Garden.

You could try School of Busking
http://www.schoolofbusking.com/
Haven't seen that one though.

Or you could just watch lots of buskers and see what works. You'll see that small playing cards with small indices are hard to see from the back of a crowd and that ropes or anything that goes "bang" (like a whip) are good. Cups and Balls is another one that seems to work well.

If you really want to make it work, then watching others at work has to be the way to go. of course, you need to find somewhere that has a regular supply of street magicians. Covent Garden does, but this isn't much use if you live in Doncaster.

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Postby Craig Browning » Dec 2nd, '09, 15:40

Le Petit Bateleur wrote:Hi Ian;

Out of curiosity, why / how was the Australian crowd different from the UK one? same language, same culture etc...

Never thought about that before, interresting.

Thanks
LP.


Though I can't be item specific to Ian's case, I do know all too well of how regional culture can make a big difference when it comes to how material will work. Just in the U.S. there are at least 5 distinctly different bits of "nuance" (for lack of a better term) that affect everything from how your comedy lines may be received to whether the common flower, fruit or veggie forces used ala Banachek are going to apply. In the U.S. South for an example, the most common flower named is the Magnolia and the fruit can differ from one state to the next... Georgia being the Peach while Florida will typically give you Oranges. Then you have cultural elements such as the strong French perspectives common to the Bayou & Cajun regions vs. the Cuban Hispanic over the Mexican Hispanics...
... as you can see, loads of variables!

As to the idea of "Busking Around the World" I'd make certain that you understand the culture in each region in that certain parts of the world still believe in Magick and doing something as "mundane" as the Cups & Balls could place you in the middle of a turf war with local shaman... there's a wonderful article in the Utne Reader from years ago, telling of the travels of a young mage through India and various South Pacific Island groups in which his life really was in danger because of these very elements. The moral of the story being that you MUST understand and respect those cultures regardless of your point of view around such things; the Western-European arrogance that is not intentionally projected, is still felt by these people and to perpetuate that attitude, even without meaning to, can make that leg of your journey rather arduous.

As a few have suggested already, get some solid experience at home first. You must have a tight act, quick wit, and solid improvisational skills. These are things you can not learn from books or videos, you simply must jump into the pool and start swimming... at least 6-10 hours a day, five to six days a week.

Another great way of earning your chops would be to travel with a Carnival unit doing side show and midway pitches. I still believe that some of the best foundation material I was allowed to know in my early adult years, was working for Ward Hall as the Psychic/Magician/Escape Artist in the "Circus Unique" side show...
...understand, in this type of program your day starts at 9 a.m. on stage and ends at around midnight. You present no fewer than 15 spots a day which (in my case) were rotated in theme so as to generate deliberate curiosity -- one group wouldn't see the Straight Jacket escape but rather, the Mind Reading. Thinking they missed out on something a large number of folks would pay to see the show again... :twisted:

If you insist on doing Street Magic FIND PRODUCTS!

Chances are very strong that you will go hungry just passing a hat. So have easy to transport products that you can sew into your material and sell the hell out of... Sculpting Balloon Kits, Svengali Decks, those novelty booklets of 101 Magic Tricks Anyone Can Do and other such "premiums" (even the Psychic Fish). By offering a product along side the performance you can readily double if not triple your daily hat take.

KEEP IT SIMPLE! Don't try to be everything and do it all -- FOCUS!

Have 3 primary acts (at the most) with maybe one or two "Challenge" bits that you promote during your regular demos as something special that you're going to attempt at such and such a time. When I was plying my hand at this sort of thing I'd deliberately let folks know that all the money collected during that challenge bit went to a local charity... its a great way of generating a positive sense of community support along side regional media attention. :wink:


Though I've said to not worry too much about all the books & DVDs there is a video set you should consider. I believe it can only be had through Stevens Magic in the States but it is the Improvisational Magic and Bar Magic series featuring numerous "legends" known for this area of work. You should also avail yourself to as much solid slight of hand material as you can possibly get your hands on and learn it! You will find yourself in situations where you must think fast and work with what's on hand.

I hope I've shined a bit of light on this area for you and ultimately helped you to stay out of some potentially hot water. :wink:

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Postby TylerMason » Dec 2nd, '09, 16:48

Hi,

The whole busking thing is very appealing I agree, and you can have a great time doing it too, but please bear in mind - it's not always very easy. Especially if you're planning a long journey as well. Cultural responses to magic differ greatly (even just when confined to Europe - let alone the rest of the world). Finding crowds who want to watch is one thing, but getting them to pay for something they don't actually have to pay for if they don’t want to, is whole other concept.

There's nothing wrong with your selection of DVD's or books you mentioned either, but the most telling fact that your probably not ready to do this yet is that you plan to carry around all that stuff around with you. You talk about minimising the weight problem.....how about just the weight of your brain (which I’m guessing you're already used to carrying). You shouldn't add pressure on yourself by having to research, learn, practice and then rehearse your material - all whilst doing the travelling part of your trip. Learn the material before you go. Accumulate the broadest knowledge you can manage, so that you can tailor your routine to fit a wider audience as and when it’s required.

If you ask many of the seasoned, professional magicians in here, they may very well point you in the direction of credible sources for your material, but I can assure you.....when they read that you've only been doing this for two years....they'll tear you a new one for this huge undertaking you have given yourself (trust me - you'll never meet a more touchy bunch of know-it-alls that in magicians forum). You'll get the standard answers of "You’re biting off more than you can chew", or "Don't run before you can crawl"......and a whole manner of other phrases which are probably even older than they are.

Just trying to save you some ear-ache off the masses here mate. Their very protective about the sanctity of their art (and so we should be), and like many of us, are probably still bitter about how much time and money they've had to invest in order to reach the calibre of say…..going around the world busking with magic!

I know this isn’t what you want to hear, but rather than spend ages reading rants off professional workers in here – you may as well just pick any one or two of the books and DVD’s off your list (they’re all good choices), and just start practicing so you haven’t gotta carry anything with you that's heavier than a deck of cards or three brass cups.

All the best with your trip.

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Postby IanKendall » Dec 2nd, '09, 20:44

It seems there is a lot of conflicting information in this thread, so I'll try to tie things together.

When you ask for this kind of information you have to be mindful of who is giving the advice. Many magicians who have never done a street show will tell you their opinions, but all too often there is not the experience to back it up.

For example; the list of books and DVDs you have chosen would stand you in good stead for a close up gig in a restaurant. On the street they will do you no good at all (and I know that sounds harsh). The fact of the matter is that the street is a _very_ different place to work, and many people (myself included) have learned the hard way that all the fancy sleight of hand routines just don't work.

There is a very pertinent piece of advice that I got second hand from Gazzo - do you want to be a magician who entertains, or an entertainer who does magic? One of them will get good hats and eat well, and the other will starve. I met Gazzo in 91, just before I started Street performing. I showed him some of the routines I was thinking of using and he was very honest in his appraisal: 'Your magic won't work on the street'.

You know what? He was right.

Secondly, you were advised to imitate performers. This is a common problem with beginner buskers - and there is nothing guaranteed to pi55 off the regulars more than to have another clone on the pitch. Yes, you can watch other performers, but be respectful and remember that it may take a while to gain their acceptance, let alone their trust. Be yourself, because until you can be yourself you will never be completely free on the pitch.

Craig suggested taking products with you. This is a murky area; in many places you would need a street trader's licence to sell on the pitch. Without one you run the risk of being arrested and your inventory being confiscated. There are ways around it, but you have to weigh up the pros and cons.

If this sounds like Tyler' rant then so be it. It means nothing to me either way if you do this or not, but I may be able to save you from making some of the mistakes I made over the years. The bottom line is that it sounds like you are not ready for this trip, at least not as a busker.

Take care, Ian

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Postby Craig Browning » Dec 3rd, '09, 16:35

IanKendall wrote:Craig suggested taking products with you. This is a murky area; in many places you would need a street trader's licence to sell on the pitch. Without one you run the risk of being arrested and your inventory being confiscated. There are ways around it, but you have to weigh up the pros and cons.

Take care, Ian


:oops: You are exactly right and I was amiss for not mentioning that point. This is however, the way I've always done my sidewalk bits so I simply never gave it a second thought in that most areas require a performance permit to begin with.

However, having both a performing and merchant permit can allow you to do your thing in those areas not typically open to the typical busker. It can likewise open doors to working area events that the average busker would be booted out of.

I'm nowhere near being a busking enthusiast though I have done the work just for the sake of the experience and to help, from time to time, in picking up rent money... truth to be told, this is why most get into busking and never grow out of it; it's always been viewed as the "grind" and even "bottom feeding" side of "show biz".

I do love that line from Gazzo however... it is the one question most of us fail to ask ourselves in that most that do magic want to focus on the tricks and how they make us look vs. how we make the effects look... its a major bit of contrast with one allowing you to endear the public as the other tends to distance you from them... something the busker simply can't afford to do. :wink:

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