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I've re-read my previous post and it does seem to come across a little harsh - please note that it is not meant to. I shall leave it up as is however, just in case it has been read already.

The point that I am trying to make however, is don't slate something that may work for somebody else, just because it doesn't work for you

http://www.xmission.com/~zerowc/bizarre/0711bullet.html

though this wasnt the one i had in mind, its a really old effect of yours - from what i remember, it was about a tarot deck - and four piles of cards and a group of people? my memory isnt so good either...

where am i again?

Since when does inquiring about the name of a cut on a magic related message board equate to me attempting it as some big finale only to result in pity applause? I would sincerely hope that the cut not get any applause as the spectators should not have any clue that it just took place.

Iain,
As I say in the column, Dai Veron pointed out the 'confusion is not magic' and the criss-cross cut is definitely confusion.
Anyhow, the column is from a set of lecturn notes at least five years old!

Finally, ".robb." seems to be about the only other one who understands what is happening: the spectator should NEVER realize that a move has been made.

Peter Marucci wrote:Iain,
As I say in the column, Dai Veron pointed out the 'confusion is not magic' and the criss-cross cut is definitely confusion.
Anyhow, the column is from a set of lecturn notes at least five years old!

Finally, ".robb." seems to be about the only other one who understands what is happening: the spectator should NEVER realize that a move has been made.

Hi Peter. I disagree with your last statement that Robb is the only one who understands whats going on, as this implys that the others who have contributed to this thread dont. Im sure we are all aware that the audience should not be aware of anything untoward, it should go without saying.

I am well aware of the dai vernon axium and keep it firmly in mind when creating new effects. I am unsure how this translates to the mentioned force though. Granted, it could be confusing if poorly done, but the idea itself is not confusing. It is down to another saying ' its not what you do but the manner in which you do it'. I use an idea from 'Expert card technique' for the Do as i do effect, which makes use of this force. The resulting effect is very clear in the minds of the audience and not confusing at all.

Although i have my own ideas and theores of how magic should look and be performed i am always open to others ideas - i may not agree but am interested all the same. If you have the time, and can be bothered, id be interested to hear your thoughts on this force and why you think it confusing. jim

Peter Marucci wrote:the criss-cross cut is definitely confusion

In my own opinion, if the criss cross causes confusion, it is not being used correctly. Its done in an off-beat, its never even noticed or remembered by the audience because they aren't looking at it.

Maybe have someone insert the joker in the pack. On removal of the Joker you can split the audience attention and make it appear is if the force card really was pulled out the middle somewhere, in fact i have been working on a suitable convincing ruse now for the last few months.

On placing the joker back on the table you can manipulate the top and bottom with some handi work so that it appears that you just plonked the original top half back on the bottom half and slight offset to delineate the force card. ( maybe even do a kind of dummy run to re enforce things)
Also maybe handing back the joker to the partipant to keep attention focused on this..like the bigger action covers the smaller

Also there must be a time lag between the crossing and the reveal. This is probably obvious one supposes

Anyway the real reason for this post was ..........
the best spin off from the cross cut force has to be the claimed 102 force as its known using a double backer. maybe Bro JHamman?. This re surfaced in a recent Genii issue and is a real self fooler. In fact i am thinking on relying on this in a new three way predicto effect im working on

Did anyone else see this?

Harry Lorayne has a nice in-the-hands variant on the cross-cut force in Tarbell 7.

Barry

What about having the force card next to the joker. maybe even some light sticky stuff.

Spec shuffles the pack and then you take the joker out for him to stick back in the pack. Of course you brought the force card to the top in the process and maybe the cross cut force will work better this way and the spec has done the work

Just a thought

IAIN wrote:http://www.xmission.com/~zerowc/bizarre/0711bullet.html

though this wasnt the one i had in mind, its a really old effect of yours - from what i remember, it was about a tarot deck - and four piles of cards and a group of people? my memory isnt so good either...

where am i again?

Oh Dear Peter lol.

Use the coss cut force myself along with other forces, it depends what I am doing. I have never had a problem with Spectators sussing it. It depends how well you do It I suppose.