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Looking for a Force

Postby Yano » Jul 18th, '09, 07:24



Hi i am looking for a reliable force for a FACE UP card. Any one have any ideas or names or even links. Doesn't have to be 100%.
Please don't say classic force its something i haven't really practiced enough to warrant it to use.

Only ideas i have atm are Dribble Force and a Variation of hindu shuffle

Thanks in advance :D

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Postby the Curator » Jul 18th, '09, 08:25

Blitz Force.
DVD about Blitz here, (or you have to find "Légendes Urbaines" in French language.)
http://www.internationalmagic.com/acata ... o_622.html

You may also use Turnover Drop Force.

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Postby Yano » Jul 18th, '09, 08:48

Thanks a ton I'm looking it up now, hopefully its exactly wot i need.

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Postby the Curator » Jul 18th, '09, 08:50

The Blitz move will cover all your needs in card magic.
It's more than a single move, it's a concept.
With the same move/concept you can : control (one and multiple), force, switch, second (third and more) dealing, palm, center palm, invisible palm, stack ...
With this move, I fooled every magician /cardman I met, including Dai Vernon. He cutted my silhouette in exchange of the explanation (and he was more than 90 year old at the time).

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Postby kolm » Jul 18th, '09, 17:25

The riffle force should work face-up (assuming you turn the cards face-up after you cut your b****), or am I misunderstanding what you're after?

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Postby Craig Browning » Jul 18th, '09, 17:32

the Curator wrote:The Blitz move will cover all your needs in card magic.
It's more than a single move, it's a concept.
With the same move/concept you can : control (one and multiple), force, switch, second (third and more) dealing, palm, center palm, invisible palm, stack ...
With this move, I fooled every magician /cardman I met, including Dai Vernon. He cutted my silhouette in exchange of the explanation (and he was more than 90 year old at the time).

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Not only is such an honor to have done, they are worth a bloody fortune these days :lol:

I've watched the Professor cut out a couple of those during those slow nights at the Castle... it was quite impressive, seeing him outside the realm of doing card magic or magic of any sort outside the "real" thing... if you catch my drift.

I've never been a huge fan of card magic for several reasons not the least of which is the fact that after shattering my hands (I was about 15 when it happened) in a Martial Arts stunt that went wrong, I just never got back the knack... not compared to how smooth I was in earlier days. It was disheartening but likewise opened my eyes to other frontiers.

Nonetheless, I've not heard of this "move" and would be curious to know more about it. Sounds quite interesting... thanks for bringing it up. :wink:

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Postby the Curator » Jul 18th, '09, 18:00

Not only is such an honor to have done, they are worth a bloody fortune these days

And that evening in the Library, Vernon cutted 3 silhouettes: he did mine, my wife's and the latest he cutted was the silhouette of Dante (the Magician): he did cut it in 17 seconds with is old tiny rusted scissors. That was extremely impressive; his right hand handling the scissors didn't move at all, and he moved the paper with his left hand.
I should scan the 2 other silhouettes one of those days.

The simplest possible thing to do with the Blitz/Overblitz is card control.
On this French (Belgian) speaking video, you've both the control and the center palm...
The move is so perfectly smooth, in live condition that it can be used for mentalism.
It was the subject of my lecture at the 1994 McMillan Convention.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Flxy9ukm ... re=related

I've created a serie of totally unusual card moves (like the Phantom shuffle, the Chelmuck, Chelman Switch and more), but most of them are totally secret and teached only to my students. I'm obsessed by the absolute invisibility of moves in cardmagic...
If you've read the October 2007 issue of Magic Magazine, you may have learned that I do a lot of cheating stuff too.

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Postby Lenoir » Jul 18th, '09, 19:06

The International Magic lecture is a great piece of work I might add, even if the quality isn't perfect

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Postby the Curator » Jul 18th, '09, 20:34

Plus, it works the same with tarot (sized) cards... AMHO, it's even easier with tarot cards.
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Postby bronz » Jul 18th, '09, 20:56

There's a face up force that I came up with ages ago when the need arose. It's sort of a reverse biddle steal done quickly but that Blitz thing sounds better.

Drop me a pm if you're interested.

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Postby the Curator » Jul 18th, '09, 21:24

The Blitz Force an the Turnover drop force aren't the only face up forces in the world; but their advantage is that you can force AND change the back of the card at the same time, in a single action.
You can also check Joshua Jay's excellent Discreet Displacement, a really extraordinary move. With Joshua's move, you can also change the back of the card.
Those moves aren't really difficult to master.

If you're an expert a the card table, there are other moves that may be used as forces, but that's another story... :twisted: The Chelmuck is one of those.

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Postby Ted » Jul 18th, '09, 23:59

Your video was excellent. I don't speak good French (Belgian or otherwise) but I thoroughly enjoyed the performance.

You almost seemed to make the 4H invisible, initially. The guy to your right (camera left) looked at you straight-faced without seemingly noticing the card stuck in your glasses.

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Postby mark lewis » Jul 19th, '09, 00:33

Vernon is just as well known among silhoutte artists as he is among magicians.

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Postby finneyfollower » Jan 13th, '10, 03:04

I am a huge fan of using the halo cut as a force.

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