Planning an impromptu routine?

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Postby Craig Browning » Jan 12th, '10, 19:22



Peter Marucci wrote:There's little point in saying what I carry with me, since no one but me knows what it is.
But here goes, anyway:'

NO playing cards!

My own no-gimmick Scotch and Soda with my own routine and patter.

A miniature hand for Bro. Shadow's elf effect, and my own patter routine.

A TT for a variety of things, ALL mine and created by me, using it.

And that's it :!:


Understand old friend, age allows us to be far more cunning when it comes to simplicity :lol:

Then too, after "doing it" for a while we generally learn that it's simply not kosher to have a pocket full of stuff all the time... especially when you're passing through airport security or being frisked by the local law enforcement :oops: (lot's of splain'n to do)

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Postby finneyfollower » Jan 13th, '10, 02:55

He wrote:
"I always have some effects with me wherever I go."

Before I could even give ANY advice at all I would need to know what these are.

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Postby Shufton » Jan 13th, '10, 07:42

There is a difference between "impromptu" and "improvised". "Impromptu effect" does not imply lack of preparation (except, perhaps, in the mind of the spectator). Impromptu effects are those you were not necessarily planning to present in any particular instance, yet you are well prepared if the opportunity comes up.

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Postby Klangster1971 » Jan 13th, '10, 07:46

finneyfollower wrote:He wrote:
"I always have some effects with me wherever I go."

Before I could even give ANY advice at all I would need to know what these are.


I don't think so - as the others have done here, you could just give pointers as to what you do in an impromptu situation, in order to spark a discussion, etc... That way, the original poster could aplly our ideas to what he's looking for.


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Postby finneyfollower » Jan 13th, '10, 16:23

That is true, BUT I could say start with a simple mentalism effect using a peek wallet then do ID followed by extreme burn.
Maybe he has none of them.

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Postby Klangster1971 » Jan 13th, '10, 17:27

Maybe I read it differently but when he said "what sort of effects do you recommend for such routines?", I just thought he was looking for inspiration... not necessarily using the effects he may already have....

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Postby spooneythegoon » Jan 13th, '10, 18:32

finneyfollower wrote:He wrote:
"I always have some effects with me wherever I go."

Before I could even give ANY advice at all I would need to know what these are.


I don't carry any gimmicks or things, just things like a duplicate coin or perhaps a written prediction, and if anyone has signed up to jay sankeys free tricks you will know what I mean, some guitar picks (PM me if you want to know which trick I'm referring to there, I dont want to expose anything, and if Mods are worried about a random person stumbling upon the jay sankeys free magic bit, please delete it.)

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Postby Beardy » Jan 13th, '10, 19:14

spooneythegoon wrote:
finneyfollower wrote:He wrote:
"I always have some effects with me wherever I go."

Before I could even give ANY advice at all I would need to know what these are.


I don't carry any gimmicks or things, just things like a duplicate coin or perhaps a written prediction, and if anyone has signed up to jay sankeys free tricks you will know what I mean, some guitar picks (PM me if you want to know which trick I'm referring to there, I dont want to expose anything, and if Mods are worried about a random person stumbling upon the jay sankeys free magic bit, please delete it.)


ahhhhhh guitar picks...never an easier coins across has been found without using coins....

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Postby Mark Waddington » Jan 13th, '10, 19:46

Im sorry, but im struggling to grasp the idea of planning something impromptu... Surely by its very nature it is unplanned???

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Postby Klangster1971 » Jan 13th, '10, 20:25

Mark Waddington wrote:Im sorry, but im struggling to grasp the idea of planning something impromptu... Surely by its very nature it is unplanned???


I don't think that's necessarily true, Mark. An earlier post talked about the differences between 'improvised' and 'impromptu' which I liked a lot.

Imagine a bunch of musicians get together and they end up playing an 'impromptu' gig of cover songs. They're almost certain to have rehearsed those songs before - maybe not together, maybe not with the thought of ever playing them in public. But they'll be practiced and prepared enough that they can get through the set.

An improvised set would imply that none of them had practiced the songs before and they were simply making it up as they went along - jamming, if you like.

So I think the OP's idea of an impromptu set comes back to the idea of what 'impromptu' actually means. To my mind, you've got to look at it from the specs point of view... they haven't gone out specifically to see a magic show but they met a guy in a pub and he did a few great little tricks with some borrowed coins, the pubs deck of cards, or whatever.

As I said before, I carry my SA wallet with me all the time - it's my everyday wallet. I've got a enough, practiced material to give a 20-30 minute performance that will, to all intents and purposes, be 'impromptu' because I can perform it pretty much whenever and wherever the ocassion arises.

Sorry.. rambling again!

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Postby Craig Browning » Jan 13th, '10, 23:47

Mark Waddington wrote:Im sorry, but im struggling to grasp the idea of planning something impromptu... Surely by its very nature it is unplanned???


Ok, I’m going to try to tie your question/concern Mark, in with what Klangster has echoed and hopefully make sense of it all.

As suggested in the illustration, when a group of musicians come together in a club and just to a sit-down-jam session most everyone in the group is aware of the other’s skill level and knowledge base e.g. they can work off of one another and create a wonderful and unique experience in a way that seems impossible due to the perceived randomness around things.

When it comes to Magic/Mentalism the scenario is quite similar, one must have a working and PROVEN knowledge (vs. theories) as to what can and should be done when called upon and you basically have nothing on hand… or you are quite limited in what you do have.

The MacGyver side to this – being resourceful and creating gimmicks on the spot with what’s available – is one small aspect to this knowledge-base; it is and isn’t a necessary ingredient to your predicament. It is a part of your knowledge-base (hopefully) that can be exploited, allowing you to go further under these circumstances than those that aren’t familiar with such tactics or rehearsed in how to make things happen (sadly, there are more of these than not).

I’ve watched Karoll Fox and Bev Bergeron jump into acts – routines they’ve done together and with others, at the drop of a hat (literally). Somehow they tip the other as to what direction things are heading and it just flows. It’s a scenario that is identical to the Musician scenario but with magic… and other variety art based bits by other artists like , Mel Brooks and other notables… legends of the trade because they know their trade this well and how to work off of most anyone that know the shtick. This is, at least in my experience, what “Show Biz” is all about… at least, when you are looking at it from the “artist”/performer’s point of view; those that sought to “Master” their craft.

On the other side, a magic buff that KNOWS the craft and most especially the basics thereof (slight of hand in particular) wouldn’t necessarily “need” to take the MacGyver measures, they would simply go with what came to mind first that was expedient, clean and fun… Bill Malone used to be a Master of this kind of thing, but it’s been close to 30 years since I’ve been with Bill and such challenges put out (it was quite common happenstance at the local White Castles after a night at the club – Bit O’Magic).

What you’ve implied Mark would suggest that the person asked to do something don’t even have primary knowledge of the craft or a sense of organized understanding, which would negate the circumstance altogether; if you were in that position of not knowing, no one would ask you to do a trick and prove you’re a magician/mentalist. So we must assume the poor sap being imposed on has at least a rudimentary knowledge of things from which he/she can learn and thus, create something that resembles an effort to deliver… I say it this way because I’m fully aware of who one’s mind can go blank when such requests are put forth… been there and done that far too many times. But that is one of the reasons we need to challenge ourselves almost constantly. Unfortunately the whole Internet way of learning and doing magic has robbed us of knowing those old Bas*tards you could find in the old brick & mortar shops that would crack your knuckles and bust your chops until you actually started LEARNING what magic was and how to actually be a “magician”… but that’s another story altogether…

When it comes to the ALLUSION of Improvisation, it’s really up to us to have a current repertoire that we’ve practiced and KNOW based on what we know we will most likely be faced with during the course of our day… or when attending a special function in a participant mode vs. as a performer.
“pant, pant, pant” I hope that didn’t get folks more confused

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