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I might be jumping the gun here and it will be explained later in the book, but I'm not too sure.

In assigned 'pegs' and 'links' to remember things, how do you not get them confused in further tests?

To clarify, 8 for example is the sound of F or V, and the word is 'Ivy'. For the 8th item (say it's a watch), I might picture ivy covering my wrist instead of the watch, (or i guess watches growing up the side of my house). Now if I were to do this for a couple of people throughout the day, item #8 will always vary. I might be picturing Ivy growing all throughout a kitchen stove, or through a book.

I guess my question is how would you differentiate? I imagine the answer might be that as you expand your memory you'll be able to separate them, or that the most recent will be strongest in your memory?

Other than that great book, I'd highly recommend it to anyone who this might be of interest to.

I thought the exact same thing for a while. The way I realised it isn't a problem is by going out and doing a memory test style thing with several people all on the same day. I have no idea why, but I didn't get muddled at all.
I think it is because you immeadiatly remember the spectator choosing the certain words, or at least you'll recognise that they aren't from earlier...your short term memory is amazing when pushed!

Like Lenoir I have found that it is a problem in theory, but not in practice. It all seems to fall nicely into place.

Same as the guys above for me too, I've done a number of memory tests on the same day and never gotten confused.

KingJeux. wrote:Now if I were to do this for a couple of people throughout the day, item #8 will always vary.

For sure.
Same for the items #7 and #9 if you just take a look at this single item of a list.
But when you incorporate the items #7 and #9 of the actual list in your mnemonic link to #8 you have a unique anker.

So don't just picture ivy in context with your watch.
Link this picture with the ones before or after and you're done.

Cheers
Th.

Anyone read Dominic O Briens book on the memory work . He has a nice section on memorizing whole decks . And he was the world memory champion ( maybe still is). Also he was called Black Jack i think in his Casino juants 20 years ago when he did the card counting stuff and turned the Casinos over.

A truly great book and i highly recommend this to anyone worting in this field. I can dig out title if anyone is interested, maybe its still in print

Domonic O'Brien brought out a course called Quantum Memory which was the best of them all. I love his stuff. It takes Harry Lorayne's methods to a whole new level.

Does any of the above expand that much on the memory method in 13 steps? It sounds relatively similar...?

You can understand the implementations offered in the 13 steps as an introduction or an overview.

There is a lot of recommendable literature for deepening informations.
Beyond the above mentioned for example ...

• Victor Jamanitzky Astor. Das Superhirn – Mnemotechnik für Zauberkünstler. V. J. Astor, Wuppertal, 1982
• Victor Jamanitzky Astor. Astor’s Mnemotechnik – Das Riesengedächtnis - Das Kartengedächtnis - Der Magazintest. V. J. Astor, Wuppertal, 2000.
• Al Baker. The Secret Ways of Al Baker. The Miracle Factory, Seattle, 2003.
• David Berglas and Guy Lyon Playfair. A Question of Memory. Jonathan Cape Ltd., London, 1988.
• Verne Chesbro. Mentelimination. The Jinx, 103:622, 20027. 341
• Hermann Ebbinghaus. Memory: A Contribution to Experimental Psychology. Teachers College, Columbia University, 1913.
• Jerome Finley. T & R. Jerome Finley, 2009.
• Sue Halpern. Memory – Neues über unser Gedächtnis. dtv premium, München, 2008
• Thomas Harrington. The Magic of Memory: Phonetic Mnemonics, 2007.
• Timothy Hyde. The Secret Notebooks of Mr Hyde – Volume 2: Magazine Memory, 2009.
• Luke Jermay. Powerful Ways To Sharpen Your Memory, 2009.
• Eddie Joseph. Memory of the Mind. Abbot, Colon, 1952.
• Kenton Knepper. Mystery By Association, 2007.
• Harry Lorayne. How to Develop a Super Power Memory. Frederick Fell, 1990.
• Harry Lorayne. Super Memory – Super Student: How to Raise Your Grades in 30 Days. Little, Brown, 1990.
• Harry Lorayne. How to Get Rich Using the Power of Your Mind. Thorsons, 1992.
• Harry Lorayne. Secrets of Mind Power. Frederick Fell, 1995.
• Harry Lorayne. How to Develop a Superpower Memory: More Money, Higher Grades, More Friends. Frederick Fell, 1996.
• Orville Meyer. The Amazing MAGIC SQUARE and MASTER MEMORY Demonstration, 2008.
• J. T. Murden. The Art of Memory, Reduced to a Systematic Arrangement, exemplified under the two leading Principles, Locality and Association, with a specimen of a Mnemonic Dictionary. Eigenverlag, New York, 1818.
• Dominic O’Brien. How To Develop A Perfect Memory. Lybrary.com, Cambridge, 2005.
• David M. Roth. Roth Memory Course – A Simple And Scientific Method Of Improving The Memory And Increasing Mental Power. Independent Corporation, New York, 1918.
• Jack Kent Tillar. The Memory Pill Act – Newly Revised and Expanded. Learn-Rite Press eBooks, Manhattan, 2007.
• Ulrich Voigt. EselsWelt – Mnemotechnik zwischen Simonides und Harry Lorayne. Likanas Verlag, Hamburg, 2001.
• Daniel Young. Polaroid Memories. E-Book, 2008.

A_n_t wrote:Does any of the above expand that much on the memory method in 13 steps? It sounds relatively similar...?

Its like comparing an aeorbics session once a week with training for the olympics. The basics are great for neat memory demonstrations and memorising your shopping lists. Domonic O'Brien, Tony Buzan and others have made it so much more.

TonyB wrote: Its like comparing an aeorbics session once a week with training for the olympics. The basics are great for neat memory demonstrations and memorising your shopping lists. Domonic O'Brien, Tony Buzan and others have made it so much more.

Thanks, that's what I wanted to know. I really like the memory effect and found the "overview" very useful (although I think I remember reading it in a David Nixon Annual years before I bought 13 steps!). I'll look in to some of the texts Thomas mentioned aswell as this.

Some memory systems may be more effective than others for any one person. I can't use Dominic O'Brien's systems, for example, because they require a very high level of visualisation; the best system for me is SKIPNUM, from an early Tony Buzan book, because it's phonetically based.

Apart from that, I highly rate Harry Lorayne's books.

Barry