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TheStoner wrote:This is getting a "buzz" just like Tarantula did. And a few days after that was released people were lining up to say it wasn't that good, broke all the time and so on. I'm gonna wait for a few level-headed reviews...

It's always best to wait for reviews, especially on the pricier new items. Let someone else who can't wait to own the latest and greatest(?) item, be the guinea pig.

so. Going back to the O.P...
What makes this different from the version that Eddie Gibson put out a few years ago?

The blurb for that read exactly the same, and he sold hundreds of units. The thing was pricy... and yet i dont remember seeing it done by anybody.

Ive fond memories of the version, (I think it's Finn Jon's) that is on one of Ammars easy to master thread videos.( Though obviously i cant discuss the method here )
Ive even done it. Its Briliant..And the props used are 100% genuine nuts and bolts, that can be given away afterwards.
And it only takes a few seconds to set up.
And i got it out of a libray book, by Harry Barron..

Its funny how these things come around again, and again isnt it.
Its like Flares and Tank tops.

no threads, no magnets for this one apparently...

i just like the look of it, especially the vertical shift of the bolt effect...

While were on this subject i may as well chip in with my 2 cents worth . I feel the slight movement of an object, with no apparent means can be more powerfull than say, a levitation. It just seems more 'believable'. A large movement or suspension has only one answer - trickery. Animation effects, especially with borrowed objects have long been favourites with magicians, and for good reason. There was a russian lady years ago (Anna something or other) who claimed to move matchboxes and such with telekinesis. The objects moved only very slightly and in small incriments, and this is what made it look real. If the matchbox suddenly lifted off the table or flew across the room it would immedietly be seen as some sort of trick.

Back to the effect. This does look good, the nut and bolt looks VERY good. I am unsure about the claims made in the blurb though, and am still puzzled as to why the cards dont fall out the box at that angle

The Devil's Tailor wrote:

TedTalon wrote:If you feel you can't find away to influence someone to believe what you want? Then maybe Magic is not the field for you. And that is okay. . . There is a shortage of clerks at my local grocery store.
- Ted Talon

This is the most ridiculously over the top response I have ever seen on a forum.

OK, so I make one general suggestion that one specific effect may lack drama? So that means I must GIVE UP MAGIC COMPLETELY AND GET A JOB IN SAINSBURYS!

You're right, TedTalon. Clearly, if I question just ONE EFFECT, I should not be performing magic.

*hangs head in shame and applies for job at local market*

Your right it was over the top, and a bit harsh. I apologize... Sorry no excuse.

This thing ever ship or what?

Has anyone actually seen this Ultracinese in person? The video is extremely interesting...

Regarding "is it a good trick" - I agree that the first poster questioning this was rather harsh, and also that the pileon afterward was rather harsh - but sometimes you need to be harsh to get things done!

There are two completely different categories of magic trick.

Most tricks are entertaining stunts. While they might examine my fingerchopper or my deck of cards and find nothing, they know that I'm somehow manipulating these items to fool them.

The power structure between magician and audience in these cases is a little dodgy - you're risking being a "smart alec". "Ha, ha, you can't figure this out!"

I actually have a bit I sometimes do before I do a couple of tricks. I explain the problem above to the audience, apologize, and then say that magic tricks are more like tiny plays than anything else. "If you spent all your time worrying at it, you'd no doubt figure out how everything was done, but the fun is in the little story and in actually being fooled."

(Sometimes I talk about "your friend who explains to you in movies that the haircuts are all wrong for King Arthur's time" - this usually get a laugh.)

I do a lot of tricks like this - Color Monte (classic three-card packet trick) is one I've been doing for mumble-mumble years (I just got it again on sale for about $5/a couple of quid and it's still entertaining!)


Recently I have a small number tricks that look like "real magic".

There's a copper/silver transposition I do (can't remember the name! reply and I'll dig it up if interested) where you place a coin in your spectator's hand, balance the copper coin on the back of that hand, wipe your fingers over it for a second... and then it's silver and you can show your hands empty and have them examine everything. (I'm slightly cheating with that desc. but that's how the audience perceives it).

The original DVD had a "move" in it. I worked on that stupid trick until there wasn't one move at all - that every single gesture is completely logical.

I can almost fool myself. It's a great trick.

Now, when I did this properly for the first time, I experienced something I hadn't before - the audience as a whole gasped.

Someone later commented when I did this another time, "It was like the world got a little slippery for a moment."

So there are a small number of tricks that appear to simply break the laws of nature. They're best demonstrated with as little presentation as possible, as slowly as you can possibly manage. You don't have to explain anything, you just do it, no apologies.

There's that copper/silver I have. I have a short routine with a regular coin that's amazing. I've been doing Extreme Burn recently - 4 bills of one type change to another right in front of you - and I get that same result of impossibleness.

Strangely, I just resurrected what I thought was a dumb trick I got in Australia many years ago - a spiral disk with a handle that you spin, producing a cool optical illusion where you see a grey disk appearing on the surface of the disk rotating backward. You do this a few times, and then the spin solidifies into a coin that you give the audience. (Can you say, "Paddle move"?)

I think it's the optical illusion part - everyone loves those and they think the trick is over when you've demonstrated it. But again, somehow, this actually marvels people.

What I'm getting to is that this trick, if it's as good as the demo, could be such a marvel. No threads?! (The demo makes it clear that magnets are out. Magnets are generally out for motion-related things, because that inverse square law means that magnetic force goes from too little to too much in a very short distance... there are only a few tricks that use magnets for motion and those rely on some other physical property as well...)

Has anyone actually seen this? Hints on the reliability of the mechanism? What are the weak points? How do I actuate it? How are the angles?!

(The video gives the impression of perfect angles but...)

Thanks in advance!





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Any news on this yet? Hopefully it will be on sale at Blackpool.

It doesn't really matter how something like this is done, or why, (which was suggested earlier) magicians are going to be fascinated. The laymen are going to think string, which you can eliminate by moving your hands mysteriously about, magnets, in which case you can use a non magnetic metal but does the audience really catch on to that? I doubt it and having to explain that just takes away from the effect, or its electronics. This falls under the 'to impossible theory' which I usually don't agree with anyway.

Going back to an earlier post. Turantuala is fantastic. I think what people didn't like about it, is that it is not a miracle, it is an old concept brought up to modern times, and you have some maintanence and you have to practice.

The majority of people out there don't believe you are doing real magic. They accept it as entertainment. Why bend a spoon, if you have magical powers why do a card trick? why waste your time showing anybody anything? Go out and save the freakin' world already. Geller however was not telling people he was a magician. He was selling the idea, Geller also had The Amazing Randy following him around debunking him. There are people on this board who probably know exactly what those two were up too, and I am not one of those. But I can tell you that the two of them pretty much made the majority of their careers off of each other. True Randy was also an escapeologist.

Point is the right salesman can sell can sell snow to a snowman.

Jason @ Nexus Magic said that this is already on back order and that those that made a pre-order should have received theirs this week.

Pre-orders on Back order? Guess we have to start buying magic before the innovation of it.

I also read on another forum that the manufacture is not equipped to keep up with demand for mass quantity's. The 800 they started with has sold out.

Looks like a big hit!

Ted

Hi guys,

I have noticed that there are no reviews for the much anticipated Ultracinese that has just been released and there are plenty of people wanting to know more so one of our customers has submitted the follow for our website and I thought I would share it on here:

Sitting in the office of Kernow Magic is a box containing all our pre-ordered Ultracinese units and one of our local customers Paul Hawken who has kindly offered to review the product straight out of the packet.

So over to Paul…..

PAUL: First impressions, the unit is packed in a simple box with a DVD and instructions on paper, none of the fancy packaging that we get with releases from Yigal Mesika. Also in the box are two nuts and bolts and a MAGNET, don’t panic, the magnet is to prove that the brass nut and bolt are not conductive and therefore dispel the theory that magnetic forces are at play.

After fitting the battery to the unit it’s pretty much ready to go, however you will need to think about where the unit is going on your person and I would suggest that you wear full length trousers and long sleeve top but you have no special fittings or concealments to worry about. Once you have set it up you can leave it in place all day/night if you wish and you are always “ready to go”

Initial set up it easy but you will still need to work out the best positions and the best way to hold the bolt. I only read the paper instructions when I first had a go and the nut didn’t move a whisker, in fact I almost resulted to using “real telekinesis” by staring at it and willing it to spin. However, everything is enlightened by watching the DVD and refining the set up.

The unit doesn’t make a sound at all and this adds to the effect in the laymans eyes, all the heat remains on the nut and bolt which are obviously un-gimmicked and can even be left with the spectator as a very cheap give away.

KENNY: An immediate routine I can think of would be to have a suitable hole punched in your business cards then when trying to close the deal with a potential booker or partner place the bolt through the hole, Ultracinese the nut onto it and hand it over to keep. Wow!!

PAUL: The DVD gives you some other ideas to play with including a brilliant spinning coin that could be a killer with the right spectators. Once you have worked out the basics it looks like there are no limits to what you can use the device with to create your own “real” magic. Actually I think this is as close as you can get to performing real magic in the layman’s eyes.

The unit it well made but needs to be treated with respect, also there is a need for a couple of extra accessories that would make life easier. Also make sure you have a constant back up of AA batteries just in case.

All in all great value for money and well worth the wait.

If you haven’t already order this fantastic effect I suggest you do as soon as possible. We currently have just a few units left to go on our second batch that are expected to arrive in a couple of weeks time.

Nexus magic told me that there had been a lot of defective units returned. Have they fixed the problem? Mine has been working fine. Just curious?