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by **Lawrence** » Mar 5th, '10, 15:03

What are the chances we could actually get everyone to just start ignoring this?

by **Klangster1971** » Mar 5th, '10, 15:04

There we go - a tailor made answer Tom!

Or, of course, going back to your original idea for a closer. Why not turn the effect on it's head and get a random spectator to take a note from their wallet and shout out the serial number (you genuinely have never seen this before).

Then get them to come up on stage, open up the mythical envelope only to find that you had somehow predicted that serial number before the show had even begun?

There - two possible solutions for you.

by **Eshly** » Mar 5th, '10, 15:04

Renato wrote:It's very possible, Thomas Wayne Fraser, to accomplish the effect you are after - my method was published in Peter Duffie's "Mind Blasters II" if you're interested in checking it out.

Before you do so I should say that I designed it as a close-up effect, and only ever perform it as such - not too sure how well it would translate to the stage.

The method is a healthy balance of sleights (not quite) and psychology so it might not be to your taste, but the effect is that your Participant somehow knows the serial number of the note they've been holding onto the entire time.

So as written it might not be for you, but it might give you some ideas... or you might find one of the many other effects in the book to be to your liking! At the very least know that what you are after can be accomplished.

I have Mindblasters two... and it doesn't work.

The public are not stupid, the method relies upon people NOT NOTICE what numbers your spectators say - which they do. The idea that people won't notice that the spectator says "2, 4, 7, 8, 9, 3, 5" and the ACTUAL serial number is "2, 8, 3, 9, 4, 5" is rediculous.

by **Klangster1971** » Mar 5th, '10, 15:06

Lawrence wrote:What are the chances we could actually get everyone to just start ignoring this?

It reminds me of the thread in the Doves Heads last week about trying to pay your debts by using the giro slips that are provided at the bottom of payment reminders...

It became like picking a scab!

by **cymru1991** » Mar 5th, '10, 15:07

Klangster1971 wrote:
Lawrence wrote:What are the chances we could actually get everyone to just start ignoring this?

It reminds me of the thread in the Doves Heads last week about trying to pay your debts by using the giro slips that are provided at the bottom of payment reminders...

It became like picking a scab!

Tell me about it! I think it can be unanimously agreed that this thread has gone full circle and we should leave it alone... pleease!!!

by **Klangster1971** » Mar 5th, '10, 15:10

Don't lock it yet.....!

If my suggestion of getting a serial number from an unknown spectators banknote into a hanging envelope above the stage suits Tom's needs - I am willing to tip the method to Tom (privately, of course) in return for a heathly donation to Sports Relief.......!

Maybe I'll even publish it myself - Having thought about little else for the last hour or so, I reckon I could come up with a cracking set of lecture notes just on closing routines!!!

by **Renato** » Mar 5th, '10, 15:10

Eshly wrote:
I have Mindblasters two... and it doesn't work.

The public are not stupid, the method relies upon people NOT NOTICE what numbers your spectators say - which they do. The idea that people won't notice that the spectator says "2, 4, 7, 8, 9, 3, 5" and the ACTUAL serial number is "2, 8, 3, 9, 4, 5" is rediculous.

Funny that I've been performing something which doesn't work, successfully, for close to three years now. Truth is if it isn't working for you, you're performing it wrong.

by **Eshly** » Mar 5th, '10, 15:14

Klangster1971 wrote:Don't lock it yet.....!

If my suggestion of getting a serial number from an unknown spectators banknote into a hanging envelope above the stage suits Tom's needs - I am willing to tip the method to Tom (privately, of course) in return for a heathly donation to Sports Relief.......!

Maybe I'll even publish it myself - Having thought about little else for the last hour or so, I reckon I could come up with a cracking set of lecture notes just on closing routines!!!

I somehow suspect this is sarcasm... but as always I'm never sure

by **Lawrence** » Mar 5th, '10, 15:17

Klangster1971 wrote:Don't lock it yet.....!

If my suggestion of getting a serial number from an unknown spectators banknote into a hanging envelope above the stage suits Tom's needs - I am willing to tip the method to Tom (privately, of course) in return for a heathly donation to Sports Relief.......!

Maybe I'll even publish it myself - Having thought about little else for the last hour or so, I reckon I could come up with a cracking set of lecture notes just on closing routines!!!

Like his Paypal balance

by **Mr_Grue** » Mar 5th, '10, 15:20

Klangster1971 wrote:Maybe I'll even publish it myself - Having thought about little else for the last hour or so, I reckon I could come up with a cracking set of lecture notes just on closing routines!!!

I love those moments. Someone poses a problem or makes a suggestion, and the solution just unfolds in your head. And if you've created it, it will be yours in a way that anything anyone else has devised will never be. It's interesting; so many people ascribe to the idea that you have to be totally comfortable with the material you use, inside and out, in order to convince in what you're doing. Using other people's material is always at least a challenge to that, like wearing someone else's shoes. No matter how well they fit, there'll never fit like your own.

by **Klangster1971** » Mar 5th, '10, 15:20

Eshly wrote:
Klangster1971 wrote:Don't lock it yet.....!

If my suggestion of getting a serial number from an unknown spectators banknote into a hanging envelope above the stage suits Tom's needs - I am willing to tip the method to Tom (privately, of course) in return for a heathly donation to Sports Relief.......!

Maybe I'll even publish it myself - Having thought about little else for the last hour or so, I reckon I could come up with a cracking set of lecture notes just on closing routines!!!

I somehow suspect this is sarcasm... but as always I'm never sure

Nope - not at all, I'll give you my method to tie the whole show together in the envelope up above the stage.

by **Klangster1971** » Mar 5th, '10, 15:28

Mr_Grue wrote:
Klangster1971 wrote:Maybe I'll even publish it myself - Having thought about little else for the last hour or so, I reckon I could come up with a cracking set of lecture notes just on closing routines!!!

I love those moments. Someone poses a problem or makes a suggestion, and the solution just unfolds in your head. And if you've created it, it will be yours in a way that anything anyone else has devised will never be. It's interesting; so many people ascribe to the idea that you have to be totally comfortable with the material you use, inside and out, in order to convince in what you're doing. Using other people's material is always at least a challenge to that, like wearing someone else's shoes. No matter how well they fit, there'll never fit like your own.

I'm getting all sorts of thoughts in my head about ways to achieve it - naturally there might be some forces throughout the show to make life easier but I'm thinking of ways to have the envelope on display in the theatre box office during the days leading up to the show, so people can see it's not been tampered with - and then, upon, opening the envelope you prove that you knew all decisions that were made during the show as well as some truly incredible things (that day's headlines, sports scores, the serial number of a spectators randomly chosen banknote, etc...)

Just by combining a few well studied principals, I reckon I might be on to something.....

Hold on a PM has just arrived - I wonder who it could be from....

by **Eshly** » Mar 5th, '10, 15:29

I sense a very cruel joke is being played, but I suppose I can only hope I'm wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcvjoWOwnn4

by **Renato** » Mar 5th, '10, 15:32

Eshly wrote:I know few people who can forget what letters are said - even small children can remember two letters.

This is true - and the effect is designed to accommodate that. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to have an armchair mentalist expose, dismiss and then ridicule an effect which which I know works.

If you're really fussed I'd be happy to discuss it with you via PM, but it seems to me like you've read it, extrapolated the basic method and ignored everything else that's going on in the effect. And then come onto TM to expose what you think the effect is about.

by **Eshly** » Mar 5th, '10, 15:44

Renato wrote:
Eshly wrote:I know few people who can forget what letters are said - even small children can remember two letters.

This is true - and the effect is designed to accommodate that. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to have an armchair mentalist expose, dismiss and then ridicule an effect which which I know works.

If you're really fussed I'd be happy to discuss it with you via PM, but it seems to me like you've read it, extrapolated the basic method and ignored everything else that's going on in the effect. And then come onto TM to expose what you think the effect is about.

I've taken out the "method", if you can call it that. Appologise for ever mentioning that - but it is perfectly possible that the spectator will not get a single digit correct, and I think the applause you might get from pretendig he got half right is no where bear strong enough for a closer.

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