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I practice every day for half an hour after 14 days it's still sticking.

New and old cardists - how long did it take you?

Never really mastered it but get by with misdirection?

Curious to know.

As with any slight, it takes a very long time to do even to 'satisfactory' never mind well. Personally, with generic slights, one of things I actually find which goes against everything I have ever learned is that practicing too much makes you worse at it: you become frustrated and that never helps and you pick up bad habits and end up generally deviating from doing it efficiently. So the approach I have is to learn it, practice it at every opportunity until I get fed up and it starts to feel a bit more natural even if it's bad. Then I leave it for a week or two and come back to it and I find this helps a lot.
Also, read the instructions again before you practice- often instructions to technical slights are very meticulous describing moves to the extend of overload: 'parralell to the verticle right thumb meeting the middle finger contacting the left index finger's second raised phalanx... e.t.c.'. Clearly detail like this is impossible to take in all at once, although by practicing learning slights this capacity improves, and take them in one by one until each detail works spontaneously.
Perhaps not directly specific to the classic pass, but hopefully helpful nonetheless

Oh, and also- certainly with misdirection there is almost no need for slight of hand I have been called upon to perform impromptuly (is that a word?) ootw, because I particularly shook someone with it and I had to sort out the deck right under their noses- which is always fun However this isn't always a good thing- whilst switching decks, blatant deck cutting and the sort are all very exciting to perform if one cannot be bothered with the dexterity- there will always come the day when an eagle eyed cynic has his eyes glued to your hands and no 'Look! A purple flamingo!' will divert their gaze.
Sam

Anybody who thinks that the classic pass needs to be invisible needs to chat to Lawrence for, oh, ten seconds

kolm wrote:Anybody who thinks that the classic pass needs to be invisible needs to chat to Lawrence for, oh, ten seconds

Or Me for 5.

Misdirection is the key to any sleight, not speed, or accuracy.

And The best way to learn how to get misdirection right, is the get misdirection wrong.

With misdirection the one's to look out for are the passive observers. They see all because they are not looking. Very Tao-esque. At least the one's glued to your hands THINK they're seeing everything.

SamGurney wrote:With misdirection the one's to look out for are the passive observers.

You'd think that

kolm wrote:

SamGurney wrote:With misdirection the one's to look out for are the passive observers.

You'd think that

I did Between The Lines at work once with about 5 people watching.

It was going horribly wrong - so I lifted the fellers wallet with 5 people watching me.




Misdirection is EVERYTHING

Yes I would.

SamGurney wrote:Yes I would.

If done properly, everybody who might see the cards won't see them

Oh no.. I wasn't talking about the pass, I was talking about misdirection in general. Someone activley trying to follow everything your doing is more likley to miss what you want them to, than someone who doesn't care.

You are not going to believe this. In fact I am not sure I would believe it myself if I hadn't experienced it. I learned how to do the pass perfectly in ten minutes. I don't know how I was able to manage it in such a short time. All the books said that it would hours and hours and even months of practice. It took me precisely ten minutes. Sheer lucky fluke I suppose.

The book I learned it from was written in the late 19th century. I think, but am not sure that it was called "Tricks with Cards" by Charles Roberts but I could well be wrong.

The odd thing is that I found so called easier sleights much harder to learn. The DL for example took me a good two years or so to master.

Oh yeah?! Well I learned how to write perfectly with a Swami Gimmick in only 5 minutes!! AND blindfolded yet!!!!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woH0Nhbc ... re=related

I learnt it very quickly too - probably because I learnt the Charlier Pass first.

Barry

The one important piece of informtaion that is missing is what method for learning are you using? If you are just hacking away at the move there is little wonder that you are finding it difficult.

When learning something like the pass it is important to break the move down into its parts; when you understand what each section does, it's more easy to troubleshoot if things don't go to plan.

Take care, Ian

Paul. What the hell does the swami gimmick and bugs bunny have to do with the pass? You are unwell.