talkmagic.co.uk

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/pagans/4od#2929244

quite lightweight - but still informative and well put together...

there's even an episode on magick...

all episodes are well worth a watch, just to see what we all used to believe in before the newer gods hijacked and badmouthed the originals...

IAIN wrote:all episodes are well worth a watch, just to see what we all used to believe in before the newer gods hijacked and badmouthed the originals...

Primarily what some naturist guy in the 50s invented?

Mr_Grue wrote:

IAIN wrote:all episodes are well worth a watch, just to see what we all used to believe in before the newer gods hijacked and badmouthed the originals...

Primarily what some naturist guy in the 50s invented?

Yes and no... what Gardner "invented" was very much based on "old ways" but not exactly in the manner he implies. Even today's "Wiccans" seem to delude themselves into believing how certain knowledge is "occult" and "mystical" when it was quite common practice just a century or two ago within most of the agricultural world... the "heathlanders" as it were or, to use an occult inference, those that knew "low" Magick vs. "high" Magick (the Kabala and various forms of ritualized/intellectualized practice.)

By all rights, Gardener was an old perv that just wanted to run about "sky clad" with everyone else. As one old "Witch" from the Black Forest group was once heard saying "Most of us were more concerned with not freezing out butts off, when out on the moors"... which is to suggest that Gardeners fondness for nudity and sexually based ritual is highly doubtful when it comes to the "old ways" let alone the idea of "wisdom". The only remote possibility being during the rites of Beltane in which a level of nudity and sexual promiscuity would have been appropriate and in line with true tradition.

No, true "Paganism" can be found through the archeological and anthropological record, not the meandering fantasies of some old coot that wanted to see everyone's dingles, dangle... the best way to know what it really is, is to find those still preserving the regional/tribal shamanic traditions, this is true Paganism vs. the commercial revival of said delusion that's known a significant expansion over the past couple of generations. The real irony is how many folks that claim to be Pagan/Wiccan/Druid can likewise be found at Comic-con, most all Renaissance Festivals, Sci-Fi Conventions and in lesser numbers, MENSA gatherings. IN other words, the universe of geeks and nerds

just to clear up everything - this show is about true paganism, and explores the myths and beliefs behind it...from 650BC and there abouts...

none of your modern day rubbish

Dang - I was hoping for some dingle dangle.

I really want to watch this to bad 4od doesn't work on my shitty toy computer

Ditto, and I'm quite interested to see this... sounds just a tad biased from the blurb though

makes a change for another religion to get a shake of the bias-stike though eh...

Absolutely, the telly is just chockful of pro-Abrahamic programmes...

Farlsborough wrote:Absolutely, the telly is just chockful of pro-Abrahamic programmes...

Drat those self-righteous Abrahamics. I'm with Pan. Indeed one could say I'm one of Pan's people, except that would make me sound like some 1970's revivalist perv.

Second star on the right and straight on til morning...