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Well I finally purchased this, and I'm having a few problems with it.

Firstly, I find that when they are signing the second coin with your pen, I find that the "gimmicks" are too short and not long enough to get a good grip on, and this means I am having a really hard time bending the coins.

Secondly, are 10p best for this? I have practised on 2p, but 10p seem to have been easier?


I will go down to the magic shop tomorrow, and see if I can get some tips, but in the meantime, any advice?


Tom
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cut back on the onerism...

What is onerism?

All the demos I've seen use a two pence coin so concentrate on those but your idea of visiting rhe shop is a good one, they should be able to advise how to use this dingus - let us know how you get on please.

I REALLY want to perform this with a single coin, but the misdirection is already lousy.

IAIN wrote:cut back on the onerism...

SamGurney wrote:

IAIN wrote:cut back on the onerism...

What the hell is that!?!

ITS NOT EVEN IN GOOGLE!

Onerism = Onanism

Eshly wrote:I REALLY want to perform this with a single coin, but the misdirection is already lousy.

That's a risky statement to make as the performer is usually considered to be in charge of misdirection. I don't have either CV1 or CV2 for nreasons I won't go into but if you regard them as what they are, simply props to be used in any way the performer wants to use them then you ought to be able to work up a convincing routine. As a start, assuming you've read and taken into account all the instructions which came with the dingus then do like tghe old timers did, put them to one side, forget them completely and think how a spec would like to see the routine go. If you need to take the heat off the signed coin while you do the biz how about getting the spec to check their change again on some pretext, anything to get the eyes on something other than your hands.

I've always found that 10p is the best coin to do this with as it's reasonably thin and malleable, or at least a great deal more malleable than a 2p.

As for the length of the gimmick I've never had many problems. Hopefully your magic dealer will have been useful as it's none too easy to describe but make sure you're using the pads at the base of your fingers (directly underneath the knuckles) rather than palms of your hands. It gives a much better grip.

best

R

Oh, also I seem to recall that James Brown does a one coin coinvexed. Or am I well off the boil with that one?...

Mandrake wrote:

Eshly wrote:I REALLY want to perform this with a single coin, but the misdirection is already lousy.

That's a risky statement to make as the performer is usually considered to be in charge of misdirection. I don't have either CV1 or CV2 for nreasons I won't go into but if you regard them as what they are, simply props to be used in any way the performer wants to use them then you ought to be able to work up a convincing routine. As a start, assuming you've read and taken into account all the instructions which came with the dingus then do like tghe old timers did, put them to one side, forget them completely and think how a spec would like to see the routine go. If you need to take the heat off the signed coin while you do the biz how about getting the spec to check their change again on some pretext, anything to get the eyes on something other than your hands.

The thing is, even with a second coin and done by the creator himself, the misdirection is terrible. Its not David Penns fault, but anyone even slightly sceptical can see the exact moment he bends the coin in the video demo.

I would probably do this while sitting down, so i'd have more cover. But I'd still like to try it with a single coin.

I am worried not only about the misdirection, but about the sound of "chinking" and clunking of bits of metal, and about the stength required to do it.

Had I know how short the gimmicks would be, I probably wouldn't have bought the product. But the guy who demonstraited it to me at the magic shop was no spring chicken in the muscle department, so I think there must be a knack to it - though it worries me that I DID see the move, but then again, I was looking for it.



Tom
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Eshly wrote:I REALLY want to perform this with a single coin, but the misdirection is already lousy.

Believe it or not, the misdirection doesnt come in the box, it's down to a skilled performer to add that.

For reference, I do this routine in 3 ways - with one coin, with 2 coins, and with completely empty hands... this effect has secured me some great contracts.

Also, you say that you have recently got it - how can you slag it off so early????

Eshly wrote:

Mandrake wrote:

Eshly wrote:I REALLY want to perform this with a single coin, but the misdirection is already lousy.

That's a risky statement to make as the performer is usually considered to be in charge of misdirection. I don't have either CV1 or CV2 for nreasons I won't go into but if you regard them as what they are, simply props to be used in any way the performer wants to use them then you ought to be able to work up a convincing routine. As a start, assuming you've read and taken into account all the instructions which came with the dingus then do like tghe old timers did, put them to one side, forget them completely and think how a spec would like to see the routine go. If you need to take the heat off the signed coin while you do the biz how about getting the spec to check their change again on some pretext, anything to get the eyes on something other than your hands.

The thing is, even with a second coin and done by the creator himself, the misdirection is terrible. Its not David Penns fault, but anyone even slightly sceptical can see the exact moment he bends the coin in the video demo.

I would probably do this while sitting down, so i'd have more cover. But I'd still like to try it with a single coin.

I am worried not only about the misdirection, but about the sound of "chinking" and clunking of bits of metal, and about the stength required to do it.

Had I know how short the gimmicks would be, I probably wouldn't have bought the product. But the guy who demonstraited it to me at the magic shop was no spring chicken in the muscle department, so I think there must be a knack to it - though it worries me that I DID see the move, but then again, I was looking for it.



Tom
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Maybe...but you probably didn't notice it the first time you saw it, and you almost definitely wouldn't notice it if you didn't know what he was going to do. The coin might vanish, change into another coin, end up somewhere amusing...

The spec isn't looking for it...

(All that said, I don't have it, so I could be talking c*** (not the best).

kartoffelngeist wrote:

Eshly wrote:

Mandrake wrote:

Eshly wrote:I REALLY want to perform this with a single coin, but the misdirection is already lousy.

That's a risky statement to make as the performer is usually considered to be in charge of misdirection. I don't have either CV1 or CV2 for nreasons I won't go into but if you regard them as what they are, simply props to be used in any way the performer wants to use them then you ought to be able to work up a convincing routine. As a start, assuming you've read and taken into account all the instructions which came with the dingus then do like tghe old timers did, put them to one side, forget them completely and think how a spec would like to see the routine go. If you need to take the heat off the signed coin while you do the biz how about getting the spec to check their change again on some pretext, anything to get the eyes on something other than your hands.

The thing is, even with a second coin and done by the creator himself, the misdirection is terrible. Its not David Penns fault, but anyone even slightly sceptical can see the exact moment he bends the coin in the video demo.

I would probably do this while sitting down, so i'd have more cover. But I'd still like to try it with a single coin.

I am worried not only about the misdirection, but about the sound of "chinking" and clunking of bits of metal, and about the stength required to do it.

Had I know how short the gimmicks would be, I probably wouldn't have bought the product. But the guy who demonstraited it to me at the magic shop was no spring chicken in the muscle department, so I think there must be a knack to it - though it worries me that I DID see the move, but then again, I was looking for it.



Tom
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Maybe...but you probably didn't notice it the first time you saw it, and you almost definitely wouldn't notice it if you didn't know what he was going to do. The coin might vanish, change into another coin, end up somewhere amusing...

The spec isn't looking for it...

(All that said, I don't have it, so I could be talking c*** (not the best).

This is the finale to my metal bending routine... they know what will happen :p

Also, you say that you have recently got it - how can you slag it off so early????

I'm not basing my critisms from my own performance, I am juding the misdirection used by others who have performed it to me and the video demo. The move is hard to cover naturally, its not like a simple slight, its a big move.

Don't get me wrong, its a good product. But I'm worried. My first task is to learn how to use the damn thing.

Well then if it's not your own inadequacies in misdirection, it's terrible routining.