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Hi, What switch would be best to switch in two gaffs for two ordinary coins after the spectator has inspected them?

Thanks!

Standard Bobo or false transfer would be a personal choice.
Either that or "when they're not looking"

As you're working with two coins, I'd say "when they're not looking" - a lot of switches are hard to do with two coins at the same time, especially if you don't want them to talk

Are we talking two diffirent coins ? or two of the same coin ? If the coins are the same (say, two 50p's) and you're wanting to sw**ch them for two gim**cks, have one of the 'specials' in your left hand and the other, along with a regular coin in the right. Have them examine the same coin twice (regular) then use the utility sw**ch from Bobo.

Or as Lawrence suggested use a false transfer. If you have your pa**s down it should be simple to classic or finger p**m two coins without any talking.

jim

Im using two ordinary coins ( a half dollar & a old english penny) after they are examined, i want to switch them for the two gimmicked coins (half dollar and penny). The gimmicks are slippery sams.

Id go for Lawrence's suggestion then, of using a false transfer.

Is there a reason you want them to be examined at the start ?

jim

I think it would be alot more convincing, and cast any doubts they might b having as to how it is done. Is that switch used for two coins then? Not just single switches? Thanks for your messages!

A 'false transfer' is a generic term. Say you have a coin in your right hand and apparently place it in your left while it is actually retained in right fi**er p**m - this is a false transfer. Although false transfers are mostly used for vanishes, some can also be used as a sw**ch. The french drop is a good example.

This is all explained in the Bobo book - I see you have the DVD version, I havent seen these but there should surely be a section on switches ?

jim

One rule that I always follow is don't bother handing things out to be examined, why should they suspect that they are anything other than ordinary coins? If you must, keep the orinary coins back incase you're asked fo the coins after the effect, in which case make the switch but don't worry unless your challenged.

kolm wrote:As you're working with two coins, I'd say "when they're not looking" - a lot of switches are hard to do with two coins at the same time, especially if you don't want them to talk

I would think a bit of talking is acceptable given that the spectator is seeing 2 coins. If you had 2 coins in one hand and passed them into the other you'd probably get a bit of noise.

Lawrence wrote:I would think a bit of talking is acceptable given that the spectator is seeing 2 coins. If you had 2 coins in one hand and passed them into the other you'd probably get a bit of noise.

Certainly, in fact in many cases the sound will actually enhance the illusion. I suspect though that Kolm may have meant no talking prior to, or after the actual switch, while holding out.

jim

Dirty Davey wrote:One rule that I always follow is don't bother handing things out to be examined, why should they suspect that they are anything other than ordinary coins? If you must, keep the orinary coins back incase you're asked fo the coins after the effect, in which case make the switch but don't worry unless your challenged.

I agree with you to an extent. When using local currency there is usually no need for handing them out. However, when using foreign or unusual coins it can be good psycology to have them handled by the spectator/s at varous points in the routine. Notice i said 'handled' and not 'examined', simply letting them pick up or hold the coin/s as part of the routine can be very effective. An example of this would be Michael Vincents coin work, Michael uses dollars, halves, english pennies and chinese coins. Although he will 'ring in' gaffs the spectators previous handlings of the coins convinces them that all is above board.

jim

jim ferguson wrote:

Lawrence wrote:I would think a bit of talking is acceptable given that the spectator is seeing 2 coins. If you had 2 coins in one hand and passed them into the other you'd probably get a bit of noise.

Certainly, in fact in many cases the sound will actually enhance the illusion. I suspect though that Kolm may have meant no talking prior to, or after the actual switch, while holding out.

jim

Yup, I did, although maybe I'm also being a bit paranoid about it all

morrowsean wrote:I think it would be alot more convincing, and cast any doubts they might b having as to how it is done. Is that switch used for two coins then? Not just single switches? Thanks for your messages!

I do hopping halves with the same two coins. I was challenged about the coins once when I was first performing it and was sloppy with my angles but I have never been challenged since.

I do not see the need to put props in to the spectators hands, as Mandrake to often says, "If you aren't being chased, don't run!"

I agree with a number of the guys here. Is there any need to switch the coins as you might be trying to over prove the whole thing and that in fact the weakness in the routine might be the switch?

Peter