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Hello I've been practicing this A LOT lately and I'm not sure if I'm getting faster or what. Basically though I did the sleight on my freind simply getting her to pick a card, I cut half the cards off and she puts the card back in and then I bring it back to the top. Basically she spotted what I was doing but I thought I was doing it fairly fast. I have paid for a video from illusionist called ninja and that teaches the pass and how to do it invisibly. What I want to know is, is this pass really feasable to do without mis direction? Like if I keep practicing will I be able to do the sleight with them closely watching my hands like my freind was?

The guy who does it on the ninja videos appears to do it very very fast but you cant always tell saying as how its going through a video and the eyes pick up more than that in closeup.

So what do you guys think? Or recommend for ways to perfect this sleight?

ps if mog or mandrake reads this I got my copy of Darwins at the Card table today.

firstly, this isnt a move that can be done with 10 minutes practice... it takes months or even years to get it to a reasonable standard and even then it will still be visible if someone is watching your hands..misdirection is a must OR do it on the "halfbeat" when the spec takes their eyes off your hands..

just curious... but why do you want to do the pass?... consider how many other ways there are of moving ONE card, think about it.. your moving 51 cards so that ONE card ends up on top or bottom of the deck. personally i dont think the pass is worth learning.. i can honestly say that ive yet to use it in any effect ive ever done

the_mog wrote:personally i dont think the pass is worth learning

However, some of us just can't do without learning new sleights, and I am sure that is why you learnt it in the first place!

For those purposes Ninja is a fairly good learning aid. I have also heard good things of "on the pass". Try searching the reviews forum and see what you can find.

Well it allows me to visibly put a card into the center of a pack and the spectator clearly knows that at that point it is in the center... unlike the dl where they dont see it enter the pack visibly so its not as convincing in my oppinion. Then obviously after they see it enter the center of the pack it miraculously is on top again. I only started learning this a few days back and when I first saw it I was like how the hell??? thats impossible!

Honestly though I don't think it takes months cause I can definetly do it now to a standard where they may see it the first time and think something is a little strange but not entirely realize what just happened. I've actually improved since I made this thread


I honestly think this is so much better than a DL in ambitious card type routines.

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There certainly are more ways than a DL to achive this, and look as clean as a well performed pass.

I can also assure you that depite getting better quickly you will take a very long time to get it to the point at which you can do it whilst being watched, I usually pick sleights up very uickly, but it took me several months to get to that stage, and within a week or so of easing off on the practice the standard had dropped significantly.

Well it allows me to visibly put a card into the center of a pack and the spectator clearly knows that at that point it is in the center

so does a side steal.
or a diagonal palm shift
or a hermann pass (which in my opinion is much more usable and invisible)
Even a turnover pass is more usable without misdirection than a classic pass

Honestly though I don't think it takes months cause I can definetly do it now to a standard where they may see it the first time and think something is a little strange but not entirely realize what just happened. I've actually improved since I made this thread

tell you what.. why not post a video of YOU doing your pass in the filesharing section and see how many people catch it.

now i know this seems like im having a go but im not.. im just trying to point out that there are so many other ways in which a single card can be controlled without moving the other fiftytwo.

Oh I know you are trying to help and I apreciate it

I will post a vid of me doing it then. No doubt you will catch it cause you know what I'm doing but I will try. If you watched the ninja vid you cannot see him do it in his invisible pass tutorial. I will try doing what he does.

Now how do I record my webcam into a video lol?

if i remember correctly theres one of the variations he does that uses a duplicate card

Yeah, you can't believe everything you see in the advertising clips for the Ellusionist videos!

For more moves that do the same thing as cleanly you could get hold of a copy of Andrus Card Control by Jerry Andrus (see the review here), it is packed with cunning moves for many situations, and they are all original. In fact, in his introduction he has a go at the pass saying pretty much what mog said in his first reply!

ok cool well I'm just trying to figure out how to convert a 50 meg avi into a much smaller movie to upload.

i use windows movie maker and a webcam for videos... after youve recorded what your doing it asks what filesize would you like it to be... select under 2Mb

ah thanks great I just made it. So i'll stick in video section now.

I must admit, I agree with Mog. I spent several hours in my local pub last night and I must have had 50 cards chosen. On about a third of them they took the Classic, on the others I simply cut their card to the top, threw in a false shuffle now and again, and despite working surrounded, and people watching me over and over again, no-one spotted anything.

You just cannot do that with the pass.

Sometimes it's worth learning just to do it badly so that you can palm them off with an idea how the trick works but really control their card in another way ie one that suits you a bit better By this i mean using a bit of reverse Pshcology this is how i do it and you see it but in slow motion. What i mean is don't give them the pass but make it so dodgy that if they ever tried to work it out they think that the move is just impossible, similar to how Dai Vernon gave a FRENCH DROP EXPOSE in his cups and balls routine.

I've just re-read what i put above and i've confused myself .
Don't learn to do something badly because that would just make you look bad. I think my point is just do something else, but thats what everyone else has said. I think? I'm not sure? oooh my head hurts ABSYNTH is bad