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Can anyone help me with the second deal I am being driven mad by it.
I was using expert card technique and expert at the card table.

Nic

Try this: http://www.talkmagic.co.uk/ftopic19269.php

Eye thangoo

Ian

its funny cos its true...

buy all the resources that man puts out...very well taught indeed...

when i was into card stuff, i learnt the most from ian kendall, lennart green and simon lovell dvds...

but if you want books, Lewis Jones is the way forward...though that wont help you with the second deal...

Roberto Giobbi also teaches how to Bottom, 2nd (strike and push off). I think his Bottom Deal pretty has it to where you do it from Mechanics grip.

I've heard that it usually takes around 6 months to a year before you it looks "good" to most lay people. To fool magicians with it... Probably a life time.

Although you could cheat and use a mem deck and just fake it. Heard that worked out real well.

Wrist kill, slide/downjog the top card down as far as you need to- basically doing a glide with the top card rather than the bottom, cover with patter and by looking anywhere other than the deck.

.robb. wrote:Wrist kill, slide/downjog the top card down as far as you need to- basically doing a glide with the top card rather than the bottom, cover with patter and by looking anywhere other than the deck.

I have done it by taking the card to the bottom and using the glide in the past. I have tried a variety of methods over the last two years but cant seem to get it to what I am satisfactory with.

Maybe it would help if you said what it is that is causing you the problems. If you feel that your seconds do not look natural then there could be several different reasons. If things feel clunky in your hands, there are a few other reasons for that.

Just saying 'my seconds are no good' is like going into a garage and saying 'my car won't start' - have you run out of petrol or did someone steal your engine?

Ian

IanKendall wrote:Try this: http://www.talkmagic.co.uk/ftopic19269.php

Eye thangoo

Ian

Thanks Ian,
I am looking forward to mastering this.

Nic

I'll tell you who's got a nice second deal. That Markdini. I'll rattle his chain, and see if he wants to contribute.

I am goin go use ian download to try and sort it the problem I have is when I pushed the to two cards over and then brought the top one back before dealing the second it is fine. then it is basically repeating the movement. It saysuse the ball of the thumb as a pivot for the bottom left hand corner. As I repeat the movement it become untidy and O lose control of the top card.

I have a condition that makes me a bit of a perfectionist and keep on trying to nail it. It has become a nmatter of principle to nail it now.

I have just got Ians download and looking forward to trying it out.

Nic

Thank you for everyones help. Last night I got down to looking at the video. It is starting to come together needs a lot more practice to tidy it up. there were a few things that I was doing wrong.

I was able to correct most things using Ians video. In addition to that I found I could not get the strike to work. I just slipped off the card. I then used the method used by people in banks and post offices. I wet the inside of my thumb to help and it worked. Now it is a matter of practice to fine tune it.

Thanks again for everyones help and if anyone wants to leard dealing I highly recommend Ians videos. They are very good.

Nic[/list]

Mr_Grue wrote:I'll tell you who's got a nice second deal. That Markdini. I'll rattle his chain, and see if he wants to contribute.

Why thank you young man..How about my 3 card monte too that is a thing of wonder.

Dini's tips on the second deal :

1. Use a bee back or something of its ilk this will camo a lot of "errors"

2. The real art behind the second deal is not having a micro brife of the cards but rythm ,

3.if i am using bikes i usually pull the top card down so a small corner of the back design shows

4. As stated lick your thumb

5. Don't say ooh look I am second dealing people will look for it you wouldn't announce to the world you was doing a D/L

6.Practice a fair bit too

But I would spend more time on getting the rythm down then seeing how small you need to push the top card over.

Resources :

Jason Englands foundations Dvd.
Martin Nash the charming Cheat volume 5 Dvd
Kepos on card cheating Volume 1 Dvd
Fast company Dvd.


You be second dealing like Steve Forte in no time.

It has been an interesting time. This post has been a great help and it is coming along nicely now. I am enjoying it now. I have just re-read this post and it is amazing how much good advice there is in it.

Thank you to everyone for your help.

Nic

Mr_Grue wrote:I'll tell you who's got a nice second deal. That Markdini. I'll rattle his chain, and see if he wants to contribute.

He does indeed. That Dini knows what he talks about

(PS don't lend him a deck of cards. He will trick you with a push through and make you look a fool)

Martin Nash (check his stuff out if you are interested in second dealing and the likes) says use kwik soft, you can get it from stationers.

All you got to do now is learn :

Bottom dealing (strike and push off)
Greek deal
Center deal
Push off second deal.

The all the false gambling cuts and shuffles.

Little Edit I am not sure if the Ian Kendall dvd speaks about this but, learning to sail the card will help with the rythm of the deal.