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Angelo Carbone wrote:Sorry for my late reply.

In my eyes John Archer was the standout and am glad he was one of the winners. He is such a charismatic and naturally funny guy and the audience loved him.

Shame that some acts were never show. At least 3 acts were cut out and the manips part of James Moore's act was cut out and they only showed the illusion (hence all the playing cards on the floor at the start of the illusion).

What were the other 3 acts? I'm interested to know, thanks.

Angelo Carbone wrote: James Moore's act was cut out and they only showed the illusion (hence all the playing cards on the floor at the start of the illusion).

My guess is that there was too much card material in the show so they had too lose the card manips

People getting tied up in knots should remember that there is a whole branch of card magic, that openly uses the term "false shuffle" to their advantage.

Gambling demonstrations, like those performed by Richard Turner, and the late Martin Nash, have wowed lay, and magic audiences alike all over the world, as exhibitions of their physical skill.
and I suppose you could also look on a routine like Sam the Bellhop, as a demonstration of false shuffling skills, rather than Magic.

And what Ben does, could be looked upon as an example of skill. At no time does he blaime magic for what happens, He finds the cards, and removes them, under extraordinary conditions.. but without the help of supernatural forces.

In a way, its akin to a great Juggler. At no time do they hide the fact that they are using skill , in order to reach the desired result.

Full filmed cast is listed on wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penn_%26_Teller:_Fool_Us#Competitors

Also, there's a photo of (most of) us on magicweek currently.

jhmagic1 wrote:

Angelo Carbone wrote: James Moore's act was cut out and they only showed the illusion (hence all the playing cards on the floor at the start of the illusion).

My guess is that there was too much card material in the show so they had too lose the card manips

I have spoken to someone who was in the audience, & apparently James absolutely floored it with the manipulation act, Penn & Teller absolutely LOVED IT, so WHY WAS IT CUT?

Mike Danata

danata wrote:I have spoken to someone who was in the audience, & apparently James absolutely floored it with the manipulation act, Penn & Teller absolutely LOVED IT, so WHY WAS IT CUT?
Mike Danata

Perhaps because the concept of the show was "Can you fool Penn and Teller". So no matter how entertaining the manipulations were P&T wouldnt have commented on that portion of the act itself anyway.

It's a shame because I would have really loved to have watch it. James More is a great magician - and I am sure we will hear a lot more of him in the future. I certainly hope so.

On the whole I have to say the how show contained some of the most entertaing magic I have ever seen on telly. A shame it had to be turned into a gameshow, but if that is what it takes to get good quality magic on tv, it isnt all bad.

The only slightly disappointing act was the one that used Spelmann's Mind Control. Not so much because the act was bad - it wasn't - I thoroughly enjoyed it, I just would have rather not had P&T telling everyone it was a trick deck. I thought it a little strange to try and fool P&T with a marketed effect.

John Archer as always was excellent, and as for Benjamin Earle...wow. It took my breath away.

bananafish wrote:

danata wrote:I have spoken to someone who was in the audience, & apparently James absolutely floored it with the manipulation act, Penn & Teller absolutely LOVED IT, so WHY WAS IT CUT?
Mike Danata

Perhaps because the concept of the show was "Can you fool Penn and Teller". So no matter how entertaining the manipulations were P&T wouldnt have commented on that portion of the act itself anyway.

It's a shame because I would have really loved to have watch it. James More is a great magician - and I am sure we will hear a lot more of him in the future. I certainly hope so.

On the whole I have to say the how show contained some of the most entertaing magic I have ever seen on telly. A shame it had to be turned into a gameshow, but if that is what it takes to get good quality magic on tv, it isnt all bad.

The only slightly disappointing act was the one that used Spelmann's Mind Control. Not so much because the act was bad - it wasn't - I thoroughly enjoyed it, I just would have rather not had P&T telling everyone it was a trick deck. I thought it a little strange to try and fool P&T with a marketed effect.

John Archer as always was excellent, and as for Benjamin Earle...wow. It took my breath away.

All the "fool" Penn & Teller stuff is NONSENSE!!! it was just a premise for the show! (& gave it a title!) It's all about ratings........... & producing an entertaining show for the "Public" (of which we are also a very small part of!!) thank god it succeeded.........

James will go VERY FAR in his chosen profession, I've known him since he was about 14, & I know just how determined & dedicated he is!!

If the best bit was edited out, there must have been a reason. SOON I think we will see the part of the act that was edited, & everyone will see why Penn & Teller raved over the Performance........

Mike Danata

danata wrote:All the "fool" Penn & Teller stuff is NONSENSE!!! it was just a premise for the show! (& gave it a title!) It's all about ratings........... & producing an entertaining show for the "Public" (of which we are also a very small part of!!) thank god it succeeded.........

Probably not, we know from a youtube video that Mandrake posted elsewhere that Teller loves being fooled, and both Penn and Teller seemed to have some genuine reactions when they were fooled

And the reason bits were cut out? Timing.

bananafish wrote:The only slightly disappointing act was the one that used Spelmann's Mind Control. Not so much because the act was bad - it wasn't - I thoroughly enjoyed it, I just would have rather not had P&T telling everyone it was a trick deck. I thought it a little strange to try and fool P&T with a marketed effect.

That wasn't the original routine Richard used. About 2 weeks before filming the producers said to him that he had to do a different routine and wasn't allowed for whatever the reason to do the routine he was initially going to. So he turned to a routine he had performed often!

is this the routine that Tomo couldnt provide the items for, because they wouldnt agree to pre s**w?

If so, my next question is, if the premmise of the show is to fool P&T, then why would you have to tell people the method before, so they can make sure you are not breaking the rules????

Nope, the preshow one was me. I had my VT filmed, they came down to Swansea, I was in the final 11. Then they cut me deciding no preshow was allowed. This was at the same time that Richard was told to change his routine.

The magic consultant was informed of all methods to all effects so that you couldn't lie on the day to whether they had guessed the method and say you did something else.

I loved this show. I recorded it and watched it again last night. The one down side with it is the format.

It's a great idea, and made good tv, but effectively meant that the best performer, Ali Cook by a mile in my eyes, didn't 'win' just because they knew how the effect was done.

That chicken and duck routine would be a fantastic opening act to a Las Vegas show and Ali seemed to be the only person performing who wasn't shaking with fear.

I've always been a fan of his, but thought this performance was stunning.

Congratulation too to John Archer. Although he was nervous, he clearly completely nailed them.

Dave

Enjoyed what I seen of the show - missed most of it as I forgot it was on

Can anyone tell me the name of the trick where he blindfolded Jonathan Ross and handed him a "blank" deck of cards?

Cheers
Rob

DaveHudson wrote:It's a great idea, and made good tv, but effectively meant that the best performer, Ali Cook by a mile in my eyes, didn't 'win' just because they knew how the effect was done.

While I enjoyed John Archer and the rest, Ali Cook blew me away! Not only did he have me rolling with laughter at the absurdity but the effect was fantastic!

I have also been wanting to see that old Egyptian trick so it was made better for him to choose it and add to it.

I hope he does well out of the exposure.

Rdw1971 wrote:Can anyone tell me the name of the trick where he blindfolded Jonathan Ross and handed him a "blank" deck of cards?

don't think that trick is marketed, but something similar can be done with a modified svengali deck