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The best way of overcoming this I have found is Giacomo Bertini's pinky load move, if you google his name or type it into youtube I am sure you will find him. I will admit though it is a somewhat difficult sleight.
If in doubt I would consult Bobo's Modern Coin Magic, there is plenty on coin vanishes there.

I don't feel any one sleight will resolve this issue. It's all about your structure of the routine. Also your justification of doing the sleights. are they done in a natural flow or are they forced upon your spectators to watch every move.
If we had a Video to see, so we can break it down, it might help us guide you down the right path.
Tim

Marcus James Gordon wrote:The best way of overcoming this I have found is Giacomo Bertini's pinky load move.

Harvey Rosenthal has a nice variation on this called the 'Misdirection Coin Steal'. It can be found in John Bannons 'Impossibilia'.

If you are using a standard false transfer then you will usually have to misdirect from the dirty hand. As V.E. Day and Tim have pointed out, the 'finger fixidness' principle can be used. Picking something up, moving a card box out of the way or pulling back the sleeve all subtly imply that the hand is empty. This can be further enhanced and even more convincing if the action is apparently more complicated, for example spinning the wand or pen. In Bobo there is an exellent example of this principle called 'The Coin Flip'.

Reproducing the coin can also take the heat off the vanish.

Or you could use one of the many 'complete vanishes' which leave you clean. Iain mentioned sleeving which is a good option and is not as difficult as you may think. I use the 'pumpkinseed vanish' in a couple of effects.

Another point worth mentioning is the separation between when the coin REALLY leaves the hand and when the audience THINKS the vanish actually takes place. For instance dont do a false transfer and immediately open the hand to show its vanished. There should be some time between the two actions. The actual point at which the audience believe the coin to have vanished should be dictated by you. This is the 'magic moment' and ideally should have some sort of cause. Take the ambitious card - if the card is placed into the centre and the top card is immedietly turned over to show its return, it runs the risk of becoming something 'clever', a puzzle to be worked out. There is no clearly defined 'magic moment'. Its the same with a coin vanish, take your time, and when the moment comes for the coin to dissapear snap your fingers, or tap the hand with a pencil or blow towards your fist, anything. Show them the moment when the magic occurs.

jim

morrowsean wrote:Hi, ive been studying coin magic about 4months now, ive got most of my vanishes off to a fine art now. One thing i cant work out is, after ive done the vanish wether its Finger Palm, Shuttle Pass or Thumb Palm, what do i do with the coin in the retension hand. Im able to false transfer the coin, but people always say after the vanish, its in your opposite hand? And low and behold there its is?
How can show both hands empty, without the use of lapping?

Thanks!

This will probably sound kind of cheesy, but it works pretty well for me as a beginner/intermediate.
I'll keep a pen or other (magic wand) in my pocket. After performing the f****h d**p on the coin, I'll reach into my pocket to 'get the wand' and then tap the wand to my hand a couple of times to make the coin 'disappear'. I have not been caught yet...(knock on wood).

I ask them to blow on my hand or something, and while all the attention is on that, I slip the coin into my pocket, simple as that.

spooneythegoon wrote:I ask them to blow on my hand or something, and while all the attention is on that, I slip the coin into my pocket, simple as that.

I really like this idea. Thanks for that.

The_Outlaw wrote:This will probably sound kind of cheesy, but it works pretty well for me as a beginner/intermediate.
I'll keep a pen or other (magic wand) in my pocket. After performing the f****h d**p on the coin, I'll reach into my pocket to 'get the wand' and then tap the wand to my hand a couple of times to make the coin 'disappear'. I have not been caught yet...(knock on wood).

What you describe is far from cheesey, it's a fundamental. One that is used in coins, thimbles, rope, cards, cups and balls, tt and on and on and on.

.robb. wrote:

The_Outlaw wrote:This will probably sound kind of cheesy, but it works pretty well for me as a beginner/intermediate.
I'll keep a pen or other (magic wand) in my pocket. After performing the f****h d**p on the coin, I'll reach into my pocket to 'get the wand' and then tap the wand to my hand a couple of times to make the coin 'disappear'. I have not been caught yet...(knock on wood).

What you describe is far from cheesey, it's a fundamental. One that is used in coins, thimbles, rope, cards, cups and balls, tt and on and on and on.

Cool! Thanks for that post!
I feel much better now about my technique!

I would usualy sleeve the coin in this situation. There as a detailed chapter on sleeving in Bobo's Modern Coin Magic

one thing that has always scared me from false transfers-Is putting your hand in your pocket to take out an item enough justification.

For example,Pro-flite by Einhorn.When he does the false transfer he imediatly puts his hand in his pocket to get his keys.Does putting your hand into your pocket after a false transfer not arouse suspicion.

I'm always interested in hearing stories about magicians been busted on false transfers as a lot of keen eyed laymen know a bit about them.My dad for instance thought me how to french drop.

Maybe its just my magician's guilt and I'm thinking too much like a magician but I'd love if someone could change my opinion on this so I can make piece with this.

I have my false transfers to a t and wish I could use them in routines but I'm always just paranoid on getting caught.

I use Bill Simon's "Gone" from Bobo. The coin is so obviously still in the closed hand that it's left the other hand well before I show that it's vanished - I believe the technical term is "time misdirection".

Barry