False Riffle

Struggling with an effect? Any tips (without giving too much away!) you'd like to share?

Moderators: nickj, Lady of Mystery, Mandrake, bananafish, support

False Riffle

Postby Johnny Wizz » Jan 18th, '11, 13:11



Can anyone point me to learning material for a false riffle shuffle please? I am looking to keep all the cards in the same order whilst seemingly riffle shuffle them.

User avatar
Johnny Wizz
Advanced Member
 
Posts: 1346
Joined: May 5th, '05, 11:50
Location: St Columb Major (64 AH)

Postby storm01 » Jan 18th, '11, 13:42

Ben Earl has a great shuffle on his Past Midnight DVD. If my memory serves me right you may find one on Fast Company too.

User avatar
storm01
Senior Member
 
Posts: 351
Joined: Oct 4th, '07, 10:51

Postby Ted » Jan 18th, '11, 13:53

Expert Card Technique includes one that I like: Charlie Miller's strip-out false shuffle. Page 67 in my edition.

T.

Ted
Advanced Member
 
Posts: 1878
Joined: Dec 4th, '08, 00:17
Location: London

Postby bmat » Jan 18th, '11, 14:45

Push through shuffle with an up the ladder cut, looks great and flashy. It may be on a McBride tape, but there are plenty of references out there. Sorry I was taught by another magician. So I can't give you a reference where to learn it from.

bmat
Elite Member
 
Posts: 2921
Joined: Jul 27th, '07, 18:44
Location: Pennsylvania, USA

Postby jim ferguson » Jan 18th, '11, 19:08

Hi Johnny. I use the shuffle mentioned by Ted and the cut mentioned by Bmat - the Strip Out Shuffle (with the Charlie Miller modifications), followed by the Up the Ladder cut.
    Both can be found in Expert Card Technique. In fact the combination above is actually recomended in the book.


User avatar
jim ferguson
Advanced Member
 
Posts: 1594
Joined: Sep 13th, '09, 19:30
Location: Isle of Arran (38:SH)

Postby Johnny Wizz » Jan 18th, '11, 20:08

As always, TMers have come through with the answers. Expert Card Techniques is a book that has so far not eached my collection but having received advice now on this subject and on a question about the side steal the book is now on order. And waht a good price it is at Amazon, just £9.35.

Thanks to all who have contributed andwers.

User avatar
Johnny Wizz
Advanced Member
 
Posts: 1346
Joined: May 5th, '05, 11:50
Location: St Columb Major (64 AH)

Postby .robb. » Jan 18th, '11, 20:13

I use the Zarrow Shuffle as taught by Darwin Ortiz on Volume 1 of At The Card Table on DVD.

Bill Malone also teaches it on Volume 3 of Malone Meets Marlo though I do not remember which effect uses it. I have never viewed his instruction on Sam the Bellhop (on a solo self-titled DVD as well as On the Loose DVD) but I'm 99% sure that he uses it along with a handful of other false shuffles and cuts.

IMO, there are two things that sell any variation of a false riffle: 1.) The sound of the cards. From my experience, specs don't really burn your hands on a shuffle unless you have asked them to in a gambling routine or what have you. What will get their attention is if the sound is off. With all but one of the false riffles that I am aware of you need to increase your thumb speed to account for the initial dump. The exception is the push through method. 2.) The bridge flourish after the shuffle. Visually pleasing icing on the cake. Not able to use it on a push through*. May want to avoid if you are purposely using sloppy shuffles in other effects in the routine. Doing a bridge in the ending state of a false riffle was way harder for me to get down than the shuffle itself.

And I guess there's a third selling point but it probably goes without saying... it's in your best interest if your false shuffle looks exactly like your legit shuffle.

*ETA- Actually I think I've seen Malone do it. IIRC, it requires you to do the shuffle and bridge with each half angled inward roughly 45 degrees or so. Looked like a real PITA so I dismissed it.

User avatar
.robb.
Senior Member
 
Posts: 382
Joined: Apr 25th, '07, 15:54
Location: USA 30:SH

Postby Tommy Magic » Jan 18th, '11, 23:46

Lennart Green has a great in the hands false riffle shuffle - PM me for which out of the 7 Green Magic DVD's it's on if you're keen to find out more about it... Or just buy the whole set - money well spent.

User avatar
Tommy Magic
Preferred Member
 
Posts: 136
Joined: Jan 25th, '09, 23:06
Location: Pembs

Postby Max Pritchard » Jan 19th, '11, 15:39

Dear Johnny,

Guy Hollingworth's false riffle shuffle is a practical one because (like Lennart Green's mentioned by Tommy Magic) it's performed in the hands and sounds and looks pretty convincing.

He describes it in the 'Interval' section of 'Drawing Room Deceptions' and goes on to give an application of it in a fast-paced Triumph effect.

Hope this helps,

Max.

Max Pritchard
Junior Member
 
Posts: 24
Joined: Jul 4th, '08, 16:02
Location: Cambridge, UK (23:AH)

Postby greedoniz » Jan 19th, '11, 17:00

There is also this one which is a variation on the Lennert green one.

It is available as an instant download on dan and dave's site

http://store.dananddave.com/truffle-shu ... audio.html

User avatar
greedoniz
Elite Member
 
Posts: 3251
Joined: Jan 12th, '06, 18:42
Location: London (36: SH)

Postby Lord Freddie » Jan 19th, '11, 17:31

Dai Vernon's Triumph routine in the Stars of Magic book has a sort of false riffle shuffle.

User avatar
Lord Freddie
Elite Member
 
Posts: 3657
Joined: Oct 8th, '06, 15:23
Location: Berkshire

Postby Tommy Magic » Jan 19th, '11, 17:47

greedoniz wrote:There is also this one which is a variation on the Lennert green one.

Thanks for the link Greedo

I can't believe Dick and D Head are reselling this as an actual new shuffle worthy of a new (pants)name??! *looks down and shakes head in dissbelief* That IS the lennart green shuffle, and the handling, whilst good, isn't significantly different at all from Lennarts IMO. Buy Lennarts DVD Green Magic Vol 4 and you will see that it's the same shuffle, and you'll get bags more tricks for the money too. Your money would be better placed going to the inventor no? Just my opinion.

User avatar
Tommy Magic
Preferred Member
 
Posts: 136
Joined: Jan 25th, '09, 23:06
Location: Pembs

Postby Mr_Grue » Jan 19th, '11, 18:13

.robb. wrote:And I guess there's a third selling point but it probably goes without saying... it's in your best interest if your false shuffle looks exactly like your legit shuffle.


Isn't the easy solution to this to never genuinely shuffle the deck? :)

User avatar
Mr_Grue
Elite Member
 
Posts: 2689
Joined: Jan 5th, '07, 15:53
Location: London, UK (38:AH)

Postby Ted » Jan 19th, '11, 19:25

Mr_Grue wrote:
.robb. wrote:And I guess there's a third selling point but it probably goes without saying... it's in your best interest if your false shuffle looks exactly like your legit shuffle.


Isn't the easy solution to this to never genuinely shuffle the deck? :)


I have to admit, I now use the Charlier almost exclusively, because I don't want to appear competent at handling cards. It takes all my mental effort not to spring my ESP cards sometimes...

Ted
Advanced Member
 
Posts: 1878
Joined: Dec 4th, '08, 00:17
Location: London

Postby kartoffelngeist » Jan 19th, '11, 22:26

Mr_Grue wrote:
.robb. wrote:And I guess there's a third selling point but it probably goes without saying... it's in your best interest if your false shuffle looks exactly like your legit shuffle.


Isn't the easy solution to this to never genuinely shuffle the deck? :)


I noticed this earlier today, a girl at my work asked me to shuffle her cards for her after a game of solitaire (save her smashing them together...), and I automatically started false shuffling and cutting...

Not a great instinct...

User avatar
kartoffelngeist
Senior Member
 
Posts: 432
Joined: Jan 23rd, '07, 18:23
Location: Aberdeen

Next

Return to Support & Tips

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 5 guests