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Postby Ed Wood » Mar 2nd, '11, 17:19



Who created the out to lunch principal? I am writing up instructions for an effect and need to credit it. I know it's someone well known just can't for the life of me remember who.
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Postby daleshrimpton » Mar 2nd, '11, 17:30


By: Max Maven

The Out-to-Lunch Principle gets its name from a marketed trick devised by Clare Cummings and Bob Ellis in the mid-1940s.

The roots extend back much further, to seance gaffs of the 19th century. See, for example, "The Interrupted Flap" in _Spirit Slate Writing and Kindred Phenomena_ by William Robinson, 1898.

It has been commonly held by modern magic historians that the paper modification should be credited to Edward Bagshawe, used in "The Recurring Name" in _Twenty Magical Novelties_, 1930).

However, in 1994 I tracked down the existence of a prior source, Tom Bowyer's "A Message From Nowhere" in the April 1928 _Linking Ring_. And, in 1995, I found yet an earlier credit: William Larsen Sr., "Finger Prints" in the July 1923 _Sphinx_.

This historical information has appeared in print more than once, but few seem to notice, and fewer seem to care. And thus, magic continues to spin, an unknowing ouroboros.


I trust Max. The above will be 100% correct. :)

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Postby Ed Wood » Mar 2nd, '11, 17:47

daleshrimpton wrote:

By: Max Maven

The Out-to-Lunch Principle gets its name from a marketed trick devised by Clare Cummings and Bob Ellis in the mid-1940s.

The roots extend back much further, to seance gaffs of the 19th century. See, for example, "The Interrupted Flap" in _Spirit Slate Writing and Kindred Phenomena_ by William Robinson, 1898.

It has been commonly held by modern magic historians that the paper modification should be credited to Edward Bagshawe, used in "The Recurring Name" in _Twenty Magical Novelties_, 1930).

However, in 1994 I tracked down the existence of a prior source, Tom Bowyer's "A Message From Nowhere" in the April 1928 _Linking Ring_. And, in 1995, I found yet an earlier credit: William Larsen Sr., "Finger Prints" in the July 1923 _Sphinx_.

This historical information has appeared in print more than once, but few seem to notice, and fewer seem to care. And thus, magic continues to spin, an unknowing ouroboros.


I trust Max. The above will be 100% correct. :)


Thankyou. I thought it was a relatively recent effect (by recent I mean the last 50 years) and was created by someone really obvious like Al Koran but like you I'll trust Max.
Who was it that gave it the name Out To Lunch? I have a slight recollection of an effect that ends with the card being turned over showing some sort of drawing and a message that says such and such out to lunch.

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Postby daleshrimpton » Mar 2nd, '11, 17:54

The Ellis and Cummings effect was the one with the Indian Rope trick, and that is where the name comes from. :)

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