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Internet Explorer has been the only browser I generally use. Until now.

I upgraded IE8 to IE9 and suddenly found myself unable to do a lot of things I'd previously taken for granted - such as:

Uploading artwork to an online printing company

Uploading images to Facebook

Preparing promotional emails at constantcontact.com

The browser just gets horribly confused and decides to go all post-modern and wibble on me.

In fact, IE9 is the reason why I now use Google Chrome for most of my web surfing! I had no need to download it until I upgraded Internet Explorer!

Boo!

Pete

internet explorer (insert version number) just doesnt work very well.. doesnt support standards... decides its going to render pages exactly how -it- wants to and not like other browsers...

it, and its previous versions (6 and 7 being the worst) are just a complete pain in the rear...

Come on guys, Microsoft have done a pretty good job with IE9. It's more standards compliant than you think

If a website crashes in IE9, it's possible it's a bug with the site itself (assuming you don't have a dodgy download). What exactly happens when you try to do what you want to do?

In uploading graphics to my printer's website, or photos to Facebook, the browser allows me to select the file from my computer, but doesn't actually upload the file. And any 'upload' or 'next' buttons on the site become greyed out and inactive.

On Constant Contact, I log in, and am presented with a big horizontal phantom scroll bar across the middle of the site, which relates to nothing, does nothing, and serves no purpose. The rest of the site is inactive while IE9 waits for me to do something with this abstract scroll bar.

So, in all cases, I close IE9 and launch Google Chrome, and get on with my day without a hitch.

Pete

kolm wrote:Come on guys, Microsoft have done a pretty good job with IE9. It's more standards compliant than you think

If a website crashes in IE9, it's possible it's a bug with the site itself (assuming you don't have a dodgy download). What exactly happens when you try to do what you want to do?

It's a bug in the site if most browsers can't handle it.. When the site breaks only in IE but works perfectly in chrome, firefox, safari, opera... You have to kind of think Microsoft stuffed up again..

IE9 is more standards supporting but it's still not there.. And html5 has been there in other browsers. Microsoft have "just" decided to implement it, and act like they invented the thing...

naquada wrote:Microsoft have "just" decided to implement it, and act like they invented the thing...

Seems like they're learning all the wrong lessons from Apple in that regard!

Both of those sound like site bugs, pcwells. Contact the site owners and let them know

It's a bug in the site if most browsers can't handle it.. When the site breaks only in IE but works perfectly in chrome, firefox, safari, opera... You have to kind of think Microsoft stuffed up again..

Not true. A lot of websites have IE only code/hacks which break in future versions of IE. So rather than it being a browser problem, it's the browser improving but developers doing things incorrectly

IE9 is more standards supporting but it's still not there.. And html5 has been there in other browsers. Microsoft have "just" decided to implement it, and act like they invented the thing...

The new bits of HTML (what you call "HTML5") aren't standard so Microsoft don't even have to implement it yet. And did they invent it? Well, actually, they probably did help to invent it since they're an active part of the HTML working group

kolm wrote:Both of those sound like site bugs, pcwells. Contact the site owners and let them know

Nah... I spent the best part of a decade working as an IT journalist, and as far as I'm concerned, if the sites work fine in every browser except IE9, then the bug is in IE9 - not the site.

And if switching to another browser is all I need to do to complete the task in hand, I'll obviously choose to do that, rather than contact the site owner and ask them to contact their web designer and have them make amendments to the site itself - which could take days or weeks when the immediate solution is to stop using IE9.

QED.



Pete

Kolm

W3C have drafts in place... so nope note quite a standard

regarding having specifics in the code for IE.. thats the whole point.. you have to put in exceptions to get IE to do things along the lines of the other browsers...

If i put in IE specifics, its to force IE to render the same as other browsers..

OK I do hate Microsoft... I turned a job offer from them down once as I told them I couldnt bring myself to work for them...

but IE has done itself a lot of injustice previously, it does tend to be the only browser you specifically have to build in 'hacks' for...

9 might be better, but developers still have to account for the issues of 6..7..

As I genuinely want to discuss this with you, and since I think only a couple of other people would be interested in the inner workings of the W3C, Microsoft, and CSS hacks, I'm going to PM you naquada

Sorry pcwells, I rudely never replied to you did I?

pcwells wrote:Nah... I spent the best part of a decade working as an IT journalist, and as far as I'm concerned, if the sites work fine in every browser except IE9, then the bug is in IE9 - not the site.

Well of course it can't be ruled out, but at a guess that's what I'd say it was

And if switching to another browser is all I need to do to complete the task in hand, I'll obviously choose to do that, rather than contact the site owner and ask them to contact their web designer and have them make amendments to the site itself - which could take days or weeks when the immediate solution is to stop using IE9.

Yup, you're dead right, you don't have to report it and switching to chrome is indeed quicker (and chrome's a better browser anyway ). But it's hard for us developers to test every single site we make in every new version of every browser, so reports from users are really helpful

And anyway, I'm a bit weird and I love figuring out obscure rendering issues. So I would love users of sites I build to report them, it gives me something fun to do at work

kolm wrote:As I genuinely want to discuss this with you, and since I think only a couple of other people would be interested in the inner workings of the W3C, Microsoft, and CSS hacks, I'm going to PM you naquada

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and yeah you're probably right...