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Postby Danny Joseph » May 28th, '11, 22:23



Hey all :)

So as many as you would know, I recently designed a business card which had some mixed opinions but I took the advice in and finished their design :)

So I also began working on the website (following the card's theme) I've put allot of work into the website and I hope it has turned out professional looking.

It still isn't done, needs photos, a video, replacment for the tempoary text and a co.uk domain.

But I'm looking for constructive criticism for the actual design and working of the website - I have tested the website in Internet Explorer, Firefox and Google Chrome :)

Thanks allot.

http://www.dannyjosephmagic.co.nr

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Postby Stephen Ward » May 28th, '11, 22:26

I like the nice and clean look. Nice colour scheme too.

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Postby kolm » May 28th, '11, 23:09

It looks nice, a really good start, I just have a few negative things I'm afraid:

- Use a grid. Without one things look all over the place, and more cluttered
- Have more than one page, with a page a section. The visitor won't read the whole of that page
- The header is a little too large, see if you can't remove some of the space (I don't think you need to make the logo itself smaller)
- The font is the default, which is ugly. I suggest a nice sans-serif font
- Why's it in a frameset linking to magicofdannyjoseph.eu.pn? Sort out a .co.uk domain, rather than using foreign domains. It'll only cost you a few quid and it looks more professional, and if Nauru or the Pitcarin Islands decide they don't like your website, they can and will remove it from the internet (it's happened). Framesets are generally bad anyway, there's a reason it's been removed from the HTML specs
- You're using outdated, and bad, practices. I suggest you learn and use the latest HTML and CSS standards

I know that all sounds negative, but it looks good and once the above is fixed you should have a really good site

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Postby Danny Joseph » May 28th, '11, 23:56

Thank you very much for the constructive criticism :) - it's all taken in upmost understanding :)

I did expect some things to be wrong, I learn't HTML when I was around 8 years old ( 9 years ago ) and this is my first professional website.

I'll start on making some improovments :)

Everyone still feel free to add advice if you feel anything is being missed out. :)

Thanks again =)
- Danny.

Edit: Oh btw - un-sure exactly where to start research on modern HTML / CSS practices, could you give me some pointers? - anything I should research in particular? - thanks :)

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Postby deano0010 » May 29th, '11, 07:59

Hi Danny,

I thought you might have given it the "PURPLE" theme the same as yor business card.

Also a couple of spelling mistakes.

On your about page, you have spelt Favours the American way without the U it is indeed spelt favours, Also Wonderous you missed out the E. Also im not too sure about "How much fun being TRICKED really is, maybe "ENTERTAINED" may come across better.

On your private party page Anniversary has a double N and Literally is incorrect.

A few nice photos , a showreel and a Dannyjoseph .co.uk domain name and im sure it will be fine.

Good luck with every thing

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Postby deano0010 » May 29th, '11, 08:02

Sorry, last post should be YOUR and not YOR

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Postby kolm » May 29th, '11, 10:26

Danny Joseph wrote:Edit: Oh btw - un-sure exactly where to start research on modern HTML / CSS practices, could you give me some pointers? - anything I should research in particular? - thanks :)

I'm glad you didn't take it badly!

Books from Sitepoint (sitepoint.com/books) are generally good, I think they have one or two books which teaches good standards

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Postby TonyB » May 29th, '11, 11:18

Danny, for a start this is a lot stronger than your card. I quite like it (typose etc excepted).
I presume you are the mysterious type of magician rather than the funny type. If you are, I think you have got the look fairly right.

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Postby Danny Joseph » May 29th, '11, 14:27

took the time to rewrite allot of the code.


  • I researched and got rid of allot of out-dated tags for the newer and cleaner CSS versions.
  • I tried translating my tables to divs but they seemed to be having trouble displaying properly in Chrome & Firefox ( IE worked fine ), so for now atleast, I've kepted the tables.
  • I'm now using Gothic Century which as required is San Serif.
  • You mentioned grids, but isn't that what divs/tables are ( ? ) ( sorry if daft question, I originally learn't HTML 9 years ago, and have used it little since )
  • Removed spacing around header
  • Although the page is still a solo page with internal links, the page height is greatly reduced allowing for more readability.
  • typos will be corrected
  • tried to add better code formatting in genural


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Postby ace of kev » May 29th, '11, 14:39

You definitely need to make it multiple pages. There is just too much on the one page, and the multiple banner-y things are a tad annoying. But nice design.

I believe this website is up to date http://www.w3schools.com/. Not 100% sure though, I'm not an expert. But to check that your code is correct you can run it through the W3C validator: http://validator.w3.org/. But don't get too hung up on it being 100% correct.

And yeah, a domain is not that expensive. Godaddy.com is an American one thats always being flashed around youtube, but I'm sure there will be equally good UK ones.

Good luck!

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Postby BrucUK » May 29th, '11, 18:58

Hi,
OK - I like the colour scheme and graphics, however, they are not the same as the card :roll:
These things DO matter, (unless you plan to have pictures of turtles or pine trees on your headed paper - which of course you will need for follow-up quotes or Performance Agreements...).

From now on - two words explain everything, the rest is detail, and I am NOT going to talk about the website design, that's irrelevant. You could spend a lifetime getting it right. I am going to talk about the small detail of what the smeg is IN the website - the content.
Oh dear...

I think the "About Danny" section is almost completely superfluous. You are filling space with egocentric waffle. What the h**l are you actually trying to say?
How about "As a young but experienced magician, I will perform entertaining close-up magic to any audience", (or similar...), instead of the current confused waffle, which sounds terribly like a pretentious mobile phone advert.
By being an "aspiring magician" you would, (as a potential booker), make me look elsewhere. Either you are or you are not a magician.
"Welcome to Danny Joseph magic - pay me money to come and see me almost be a magician..." No. I thought not.
As already said - stop using US spellings.
What the heck DO you do - in terms of "...never seen before close-up magic"? I want coins, I want cards - what do you YOU do? You say stunts - whats a stunt? Do you do magic with aardvarks? THAT would be REALLY new.

What do you offer?
What is your product?


What is "gasping in unbelieve" meant to mean? I assume you mean "disbelief"?
Far too many typos, and the grammar is "cludgy", very heavy use of words, you are trying to be too clever, but not clear. "Multiple years of experience" - are you trying to say the word "Many"?
Why "Contact Us" - are there more than one of you?
I (still) hate the emphasis on you being an "entertainer", which interestingly you have not mentioned in the text that I can see. Perhaps I missed it.

Be very careful what you say about people's weddings. I would avoid saying anything that comments on emotions. Concentrate on facts "and to allow everyone to feel truly comfortable on your wedding day. " - so....are you saying that without a magician people will NOT be comfortable. A minefield. Be careful.

You are trying to be far too cerebral here. There's very little you can say that is new, but you are trying to. Go back to those business books, (the ones I recommended you purchase on the "business card" thread), and look at the "How to Create a Website" chapters. You are missing the point - it has little to do with the website, it is ALL about what you put in it. By having a website that has copy like this you are throwing away potential business. People will go with someone who is simpler, and who they understand.

You need to learn how to write copy, or hire someone to do it for you, because, (I am sorry to say), this fails on many levels. A website, (like a business card), is a "shop-front", a clear advert of what you do, what experiences you create, and your experience. If you do not have much experience, then just keep it simple.

Who are you, what do you do, in what areas, and how do they contact you.

Danny....you seem to be trying to market yourself as some sort of new wonder magician. You are not. By all means have aspirations, but you have to start with the product that you actually sell. At the moment you are selling confusion, uncertainty and doubt.

Just my 2p worth.
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Postby Danny Joseph » May 30th, '11, 12:42

Thank you for the advice BrucUK, I can see what you are saying about the copy now you point it out - unfortunately it isn't easy to get everything right when your learning every aspect of setting up your own business and to learn it all as best you can with no past experience.

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Postby BrucUK » May 30th, '11, 12:55

Danny - I appraciate that, but the trick is to do the learning before you start to build something. Building it, and then making iterative changes while asking "Is it OK? Is it OK?" is not the way to build a business.
Start with what you are, not what you are trying to be.
I am sure there are dozens of similar threads on this board, and I know there are over on Bunny - I have written on most of them. Read them all, then start again.
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Postby ace of kev » May 30th, '11, 13:27

Bruce knows what he is on about, and after I've typed this reply I'm going to copy and paste it into a word document for future reference! Thanks Bruce, it will definitely help me when I try to promote myself.

Danny Joseph wrote:unfortunately it isn't easy to get everything right when your learning every aspect of setting up your own business and to learn it all as best you can with no past experience.


And Bruce is just trying to help you Danny so don't be annoyed. You have obviously put in a lot of hard work and effort, but as can be seen by Bruce's post, not in the right areas.

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Postby kolm » May 30th, '11, 14:15

Danny Joseph wrote:took the time to rewrite allot of the code.
[*]I researched and got rid of allot of out-dated tags for the newer and cleaner CSS versions.

Good start - don't forget you can also use the <h1> tag, and <p> tags nowadays are used to surround a paragraph, rather than as a paragraph breaks

[*]I tried translating my tables to divs but they seemed to be having trouble displaying properly in Chrome & Firefox ( IE worked fine ), so for now atleast, I've kepted the tables.

Hm. Send me a PM if you have any questions, I'll be happy to answer

[*]I'm now using Gothic Century which as required is San Serif.

Much better :) If you put sans-serif as well, it'll display OK on computers that don't have that font

[*]You mentioned grids, but isn't that what divs/tables are ( ? ) ( sorry if daft question, I originally learn't HTML 9 years ago, and have used it little since )

Not a daft question :) A grid is basically the layout of the site, to make sure everything lines up. The grid itself is marked up using divs

[*]Removed spacing around header

[*]Although the page is still a solo page with internal links, the page height is greatly reduced allowing for more readability.

Both much better :)


(Edit: Also worth pointing out, w3schools isn't that good a reference, really)

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