Rene Lavand's one handed false riffle shuffle?

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Rene Lavand's one handed false riffle shuffle?

Postby hds02115 » Jul 15th, '11, 22:11



Or atleast that's all I can assume it is! Recently I came across the magician Rene Lavand who for some crazy reason I hadn't come across before. I was amazed at the skill he had performing slights with just the one arm, just as I was amazed at Cardini for performing in gloves, which I'm sure you too can have respect for. Anyway I was watching a video of Rene performing and he did something that I can only assume was a false riffle shuffle, only one handed of course. I've seen something like this before, but this brought my mind back to it.

Does anyone know a resource that I might be able to learn this from? I am able to perform a regular one handed riffle, but to be able to one handed false riffle would be quite an advantage to have. I have had a try myself, but either I'm missing something, or just overlooking something silly, I've had no luck.

If anyone can point me in the right direction then that would be great, thanks.

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Postby cc100 » Jul 15th, '11, 22:59

Out of interest, how/where did you learn the normal one handed riffle shuffle? I'd like to be able to do it but it isn't in any of the books I've got. Sorry I can't help with your question

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Postby hds02115 » Jul 15th, '11, 23:31

I'm not exactly sure I'm sorry to say. It was quite some time ago and to the best of my knowledge I just saw someone do it and practiced obsessivly until I got it. I'm really sorry that I can't point you in the right direction. Does none of the usual classic card maneuver books contain something about doing it, like erdnase, expert card technique or royal road?

No worries about not knowing how to do it as a false though. I know I've seen another magician do the same false one handed riffle before, I just can't remember where, but that leads me to think that it's got to have been published somewhere.

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Postby sleightlycrazy » Jul 16th, '11, 00:22

Erdnase doesn't have it.

De'vo's Xtreme Beginnerz DVD set teaches it really well. Darwin Ortiz also teaches it in his Cardshark book and DVD volume 1. I think Derren Brown has used it as a false shuffle, but he needed two hands to negate it. I bet Richard Turner can do it false. With his feet. The guy is amazing.

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Postby hds02115 » Jul 16th, '11, 00:45

You're saing you think it's taught on one of the first two? Yeah I'm sure I've seen it done before, and I'm sure there are a fair few people who've cracked it.

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Postby BrucUK » Jul 16th, '11, 09:22

Rene's One-Handed False Shuffle and Cut is taught on p58 of his book "Magic From the Soul".
The first section of this is an explanation of the one0handed Faro and waterfall, before he goes into the cutting portion.
This book is fascinating, but devlishly hard!
I have just about got the hang of a (very rough) one handed second-deal after several months, let alone dealing 3rds, 4th, 5ths and 6ths!

If you want to learn skills that look totally beyond the norm, this is a book for you. There are tunover switches, one0handed DLs etc., in some cases, the movements you will need to go through in order to achieve the move one-handed, (a rotation of the wrist/hand palm-down) actually cover any "dirty work".
Good luck.
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Postby hds02115 » Jul 16th, '11, 09:39

Thanks for that. I might see about getting this book. I really did admire his skill given that he only has the one arm. It must take insane skill to perform these slights, and even more to have come up with ways of performing them in the first place.

Thanks again.

Just out of interest, have you been able to do this move yet? The false shuffle?

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Postby BrucUK » Jul 16th, '11, 11:27

Just out of interest, have you been able to do this move yet? The false shuffle?

I have no intention of trying :D
I am not really a "cardman", I rely more on presentation than advanced sleights for what I do. Although I do use the occasional DL, Biddle, False-Cut, a fair % of my "working set" (after a few years of culling the cr4p) is now actually self-workers ;)
Much more effective IMHO to do a couple of shonky hand-moves to convince the "hand-burners" you are doing something shonky, and then let them fester in their own confusion....
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Postby hds02115 » Jul 16th, '11, 19:04

Well I'm not really a fan of using complex slights in my performance either, one of my famourite effects that I came up with and have used thousands of times consists of just a cut force, and the rest is how I perform it.

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Postby bmat » Jul 18th, '11, 17:53

Something to think about.

I am a huge Rene Levand fan. I spent a very long time learing his oil and water routine. One handed of course.

First time I did it for a friend it was a think of beauty. The response however was less than I had hoped for.

"Why?" my friend asked, "Are you only using one hand?"

Point taken. Rene Levand only has one good hand. So it makes sense for him to perform with one hand. I however have two hands.

Unfortunatly Rene's one hand is better than my two...by a long shot.

My advice such as it is. Learn the lessons from Levand, but learn the right lessons.

At a lecture he once said that it was his greatest joy when his grandaugher said to him:

"Grampa tell me the story"
"Okay, which story do you want to hear?"
"You know the one with the magic in it."

He was so thrilled that people (especially his grandaughter) was seeing what he had to offer as not a magic trick, but as a story.

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Postby BrucUK » Jul 18th, '11, 18:28

Well said - and you are correct, there needs to be some motivation for using one hand.
It would be congruent with the nagic I perform.
I illustrate how gamblers cheat, so I want to be able to get spectator to shuffle cards, peek, deal until they say "Stop", and show that I know tha card, (multiple one-handed seconds).
However, in most circumstances I agree that there would be no reason to use one-hand.
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Postby hds02115 » Jul 18th, '11, 18:32

That's a nice post, and although I'm sure his book has a lot to offer and I would no dout take bits and pieces away from it, I am mainly interested in this move because of how deceptive it looks. Even the odd spectator will have heard of a false shuffle, but I'd bet a one handed false shuffle is something they would think is impossible. That's my main draw to it. Also, the challenge. I'm sure it takes a hell of a lot of practice and skill to do, and I want to see if I have it.

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Postby hds02115 » Jul 18th, '11, 18:35

Just something to think about, you're all talking about performing the effects one handed for the spectators to see. Just think about the idea of using the same kind of techniques but covertly. If you are skilled at doing these, then you can still use both hands, but of course, while one hand mis-directs, the other can be busy doing not so innocent things.

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Postby bmat » Jul 19th, '11, 18:22

hds02115 wrote:Just something to think about, you're all talking about performing the effects one handed for the spectators to see. Just think about the idea of using the same kind of techniques but covertly. If you are skilled at doing these, then you can still use both hands, but of course, while one hand mis-directs, the other can be busy doing not so innocent things.


Sorry I can't help but laugh as I've conjured up an image in my head of covertly false riffle shuffling with one hand while doing Piet Fortons (sorry for the bad spelling) pop up move with the other.

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Postby mrz0mbie » Jul 19th, '11, 18:49

hds02115 wrote:I'm sure it takes a hell of a lot of practice and skill to do, and I want to see if I have it.


I can totally buy into this, I like a challenge and I'm one of those people that can happily sit with a deck of cards doing the same thing over and over until i get it, but perhaps you could choose a move that may be more useful?

hds02115 wrote:Just something to think about, you're all talking about performing the effects one handed for the spectators to see. Just think about the idea of using the same kind of techniques but covertly. If you are skilled at doing these, then you can still use both hands, but of course, while one hand mis-directs, the other can be busy doing not so innocent things.


I cant see the point of this to be honest with you, why would you want to false shuffle covertly? surely just not touching the pack achieves the same thing. If you're shuffling, you want people to see that you're shuffling the pack up?

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