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Im looking for the most convincing DL, I like the David Blaine technique of pushing off the fleshy part of your palm so the card flexes and looks like just the one card. But mrz0mbie, Agecroft and Stuart C all tell me it doesnt look convincing and it just looks like a fancy way of handling the cards.

You can see it here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxRLv-DK2hs

What do you think? should I ditch it or carry on with it?

I've been using the Mark Wilson DL of late and I kind of like it. I wanted a DL/TL that looked like the action of the Flustration count as part of a Paul Gordon routine so all the card manipulations looked the same.

Worth looking up, it's in the Complete Course.

There is no 'best' DL. You have to find the one that suits you. The easy way to figure that out is to watch the way you turn over a card. Then use the exact same motions to execute the double. Nine times out of ten (I just made that up) you will find that the basic push off DL works best.

If the spectator doesn't see the move, than that is the best one.

Use R&S. Easiest DL ever

I've been trying to learn from the Master Pushoff DVD because part of me dies whenever I do a DL get-ready. I understand it has it's place, but I just don't feel happy with it. It's knacky to learn and months later I'm still trying to learn, but when it works it is a thing of wonder...

Didn't this come up a couple of weeks ago & spring up a whole load of answers?

Mancunian Lee wrote:Im looking for the most convincing DL,

Hello Mancunian Lee,

I'm pretty new to card magic.
Having said that, years of being a finger style guitar player,
The independance I have in my fingers. Access to most of the best DVD's on the market, &
adopting the same learning methods I did in my early years of learning to play the guitar.
I am sure have helped me come on leaps, & bounds.

Darwin Ortiz was one of the magician's who introduced me to the pinky count,
IMHO it's one of the best ways to get ready for a DL.
Handling a DL once one has achieved it, is as bmat said, something that you have to find suits you.

The pinky count is something I would strongly recommend you learn, but it takes time.
Nothing can be seen by the spectator. I can now get several cards ready easily, & without any suspicion.
You may also want to check out.
"Bob White presents Card Magic dvd"
His handling of the DL is something I found invaluable.
I can now pick up a double, & flick it with my other fingers.
Reinforcing that's it's just a single, & without any fears of anyone suspecting anything other than that.

Hope this helps.

CArl...

I use the thumb count get ready. Never been questioned on it because no one has seen it. I look at the Spec as I do it so as not to draw attention to it. I have tried other DL's but I stick with the thumb count as I feel it works best for me and that is all that matters.

Razzo wrote:I use the thumb count get ready. Never been questioned on it because no one has seen it. I look at the Spec as I do it so as not to draw attention to it. I have tried other DL's but I stick with the thumb count as I feel it works best for me and that is all that matters.

Not that I wish to be contrary, but surely it's what works best for the audience (in terms of conviction) is all that matters.

The Vernon Push-Off and Strike Double are the two I most often use.

I hardly ever use a DL and still thrive, same for things like the pass and that's not because I can't. I don't know what the fassination is with learning the 'perfect DL' or 'perfect pass' ect. Saying that though, they are fundimentals in card magic and so people should still learn them. It's been said before but your DL should look the same as your regular lift and as for the set up, whatever that is it should be done while they are being misdirected, even just by talking to them.

I also remember this being discussed recently too, it might have started with a different question but it still contained much of the same thing.

I just take off a single card the exactly the same way I do a DL. It annoys me when I see someone turning over cards quickly and haphazardly then all of a sudden they do it slowly and awkwardly, it just draws so much attention to it. You can definitely take one card off in a nice deliberate way by its corner with it still flowing and looking elegant. Then when you do a DL the same way no attention arises, especially if you look at them/misdirect. You can also prep with a break a lot of the time. Also, be safe in the knowledge laypeople hardly ever spot such a thing, let alone know of its existence.

I've always done the DL's that require no get-ready. Much more less suspicious. If your get-ready is good, you can do it on the go. Thumb count two and turn them over. The most important thing is that your DL looks exactly the same as your SL, whatever DL you do. Do not forget to work on your SL as well, its as important as the DL. I often see people make clumsy DL and them a very quick that looks totally different. That draws attention. The DL i perform the most is the strike DL.

Can I humbly recommend Greg Wilson's 'Double-Take' DVD as a very good reference for 'choosing the best DL' in any given situation:

http://www.magicshop.co.uk/p1107/Double ... _info.html" target="_blank (you will prob be able to find this cheaper, but the link's for info only!)

Further than that, I'll second the common theme of advice you've already been given: The best move of ANY kind, is the one that works best for you and your specs - simple as!

kaala wrote:The most important thing is that your DL looks exactly the same as your SL, whatever DL you do. Do not forget to work on your SL as well, its as important as the DL. I often see people make clumsy DL and them a very quick that looks totally different. That draws attention. The DL i perform the most is the strike DL.

Yeah...just what I said