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by **Dye Vernon** » Sep 13th, '11, 13:27

I don't like sucker tricks. I don't like anything where someone is made to look stupid. If this woman is intent on spoiling your magic, just refuse to do any while she is around.

"I'd love to, but there's no point because Sarah really hates it, I'll show you another time"

She'll feel bad, hopefully, but without you embarrassing her.

Just because she was badly behaved, doesn't mean you need to be.

Be polite, and learn when not to perform. It's tricky when you are learning because you really want to. But saying no is important.

by **A J Irving** » Sep 13th, '11, 16:25

Alfred Borden wrote:One of the girls at work sees me messing with a deck of cards, asks me to do a trick, so I go over to her desk and perform Mind Power deck routine which blows her mind, she says she wants more...so after a bit of work I go back and perform Gemini twins to a fantastic reaction

At this point she INSISTS that I tell her how they are done, she starts ringing colleagues up that I have performed on before...she gets nowhere but still persists..

I think at this point I'll leave her with one to blow her mind then leave it, I ask her to shuffle the cards, I have a ready prediction on offer that she pockets and then she deals the cards into three piles, she turns over the top three cards and they match her prediction in her pocket...ok so now she flips, she NEEDS to know now and is trying anything and everything to get me to spill the beans, I'm not saying anything at all....first time reaction like this, I mean I've had the "go on, tell us how its done" before but never to this extent

She then says, right I'll just look on YouTube...and as I was leaving her she was looking at "magic tricks revealed", my God didn't realise how many co**s on YouTube...so 45 minutes later she's STILL checking out card tricks online!!

Doubt she'll find what shes looking for, but was interested in peoples thoughts on this kind of OTT reaction?!

I might be wrong here but it sounds a bit like you've got a bit of a convert to the magical cause! Maybe you should teach her a really simple self-working trick and try to convince her to try it on others in your office. I'm sure there are plenty on this forum who got into magic because they really needed to know how a trick was done. It could be that instead of trying to spoil your effects, she's actually interested in learning a bit more about magic.

by **Part-Timer** » Sep 13th, '11, 21:49

A J Irving wrote:It could be that instead of trying to spoil your effects, she's actually interested in learning a bit more about magic.

Or she is just one of those people who needs to know how things work, as Vanderbelt said (and maybe others). I think both of these are more likely than that she is trying to ruin it.

By the way, it's often said that people won't try to trip you up, or burn your hands, or try to research how a trick was done if you entertain them properly. I don't believe this is true. Some people will do those things no matter what the performer does. In fact, as Mr Irving mentions, this reaction might be a direct effect of how good you were.

by **Alfred Borden** » Sep 13th, '11, 22:07

I feel like I've painted a bad picture, I've always had a really good relationship with this girl and she wasn't trying to ruin the magic, more an obsession with how its all done

She was laughing for much of it and it is not in my nature when performing to make people feel stupid, I like people to participate and enjoy

Great point Irving, didn't even cross my mind that she might want to learn how to do magic and perform

She was badgering me for more today but I happened to avoid for the most part

Will think of a nice self worker for her to learn

Thanks for the advice everyone

by **Ted** » Sep 13th, '11, 23:00

Alfred Borden wrote:Will think of a nice self worker for her to learn

Nothing wrong with that. All I'll say is that I did the same for a friend, and his disappointment in learning the method was something to consider.

Eg. Imagine the simplest card trick that uses a key card to locate a chosen card. This effect impressed him. Explaining it solicited the following reaction: "Oh, is that it?" combined with a very sad face.

I'd think twice about spoiling the magic that you have created. But it's your choice, naturally.

by **C.L.Ward** » Sep 14th, '11, 00:22

Ted wrote:
Alfred Borden wrote:Will think of a nice self worker for her to learn

Nothing wrong with that. All I'll say is that I did the same for a friend, and his disappointment in learning the method was something to consider.

Eg. Imagine the simplest card trick that uses a key card to locate a chosen card. This effect impressed him. Explaining it solicited the following reaction: "Oh, is that it?" combined with a very sad face.

I'd think twice about spoiling the magic that you have created. But it's your choice, naturally.

teds hit the nail on the head there!!

by **spooneythegoon** » Sep 14th, '11, 20:26

Alfred Borden wrote:
jon_kent wrote:Use your new powers for evil and say you'll only tell her in return of a favour lol

You haven't seen her lol

You 'd better hope she doesn't find this thread while looking for solutions to tricks! :lol:

by **Razzo** » Sep 15th, '11, 00:23

bmat wrote:First, forgive the pun but the entire issue lies in your performance. Yes you did a great job and fooled the beans out of her, but in the end you left it as a puzzle almost it seems, as a challenge which she accepted to the point of going to youtube.

Now your job is to reconstruct your routine and see where you left the magic and started performing a puzzle, it is in there somewhere. And really it is one of the most difficutl aspects of magic.

Once the begging started you further added to the spectators 'frustration' by doing one more trick, in doing that you just about said, 'oh you can't catch me, here I'll even show you another, see how great I am."

The proper response is impossible to say because it depends on your perfomance style, your personal style and your level of experience. I would have tried for something like, "hey it's magic just enjoy it for what it is." or something to that effect and walked away.

Too often our ego's get in the way and we say to much.

Best thing now is to perform for somebody else. Each performance to new people will add to your experience and you will soon figure it all out.

Along with some of the others I don't believe that's necessarily true. Some people just have to have what you have and in this case it could be the knowledge of how to do that trick. Some people are just like that. Some people of course don't like being fooled so they will try to find out how you did it to prove to themselves it really wasn't all that special. Who knows? Who cares?

Raz

by **Alfred Borden** » Sep 15th, '11, 08:09

Advice from a Spurs fan :shock:

Cheers

This whole magic at work thing is becoming quite amusing and I had no idea how many people loved magic and want to see tricks!
The head of our whole department got wind and I've performed a few for him which have blown his mind and now he asks for a trick everytime he sees me (damn you ACR for taking so much practice :lol:

)

But its now gone further, after doing some tricks for him in our coffee area, one of the TOP bosses comes in as in intrigued, I was pretty much out of material at this point but did Gemini twins which he really liked, he started asking about table hopping at our Xmas party(!)

I told him I wouldn't be ready by Christmas this year but possibly next year, but its all ended well as I think a mate of mine, a semi-pro who is brilliant might get the gig now

As he was parking up the car yesterday he shouts out "got the cards in today, time for a trick?"

The funny thing, one of my fav tricks where I palm some cards and use misdirection hasn't been a problem so far, but for the BIG boss today...we shall see

by **jon_kent** » Sep 15th, '11, 08:46

Know what you mean mate ! Where my friends are impressed with me they now want me to go to a pub for their dads birthday and do some tricks for everyone there lol, dont think im ready for gigs yet lol

by **DJBenz** » Sep 15th, '11, 09:10

It's all great practice for when you eventually start performing to the general public! I wish I had the nerve to bring some cards into work, but as I'm an engineer in an office full of engineers (who figure out how to make things work on a daily basis) I think the analytical minds might need some serious misdirection to fool.

by **C.L.Ward** » Sep 15th, '11, 09:35

DJBenz wrote:It's all great practice for when you eventually start performing to the general public! I wish I had the nerve to bring some cards into work, but as I'm an engineer in an office full of engineers (who figure out how to make things work on a daily basis) I think the analytical minds might need some serious misdirection to fool.

just beacause someones an engineer, doesn't mean they're anymore inclined to work out a trick than someone who.....for the sake of arguments say..... paints stripes on humbugs!!!!

you should try performing a few things for your colleagues..... you may be pleasantly suprised

just noticed your from redditch........ which part?? i grew up on winyates east and have lived all over the god forsaken sh**hole.....best thing i ever did gettin away from that place!! lol

by **DJBenz** » Sep 15th, '11, 10:08

C.L.Ward wrote:
DJBenz wrote:It's all great practice for when you eventually start performing to the general public! I wish I had the nerve to bring some cards into work, but as I'm an engineer in an office full of engineers (who figure out how to make things work on a daily basis) I think the analytical minds might need some serious misdirection to fool.

just beacause someones an engineer, doesn't mean they're anymore inclined to work out a trick than someone who.....for the sake of arguments say..... paints stripes on humbugs!!!!

I was.

Actually, to be fair it's more the packet tricks which are easier to work out from an engineering perspective, once you've seen them done at least.

you should try performing a few things for your colleagues..... you may be pleasantly suprised

I did a couple last night for some of the cub scouts that I help out with. We were planting bulbs in pots, so the coin unique trick of disappearing the penny under a glass became disappearing it from under a plant pot.

"You lifted it up, and the penny flew out and you caught it!" :lol:

(Cub scouts are probably worse than engineers for trying to figure it out).

So I did it again, this time with my alleged catching hand held up in the air. Puzzled looks. :lol:

"Do it again!" Smiled. Walked away.

just noticed your from redditch........ which part?? i grew up on winyates east and have lived all over the god forsaken sh**hole.....best thing i ever did gettin away from that place!! lol

I'm actually from Newcastle, I moved to Redditch 10 years ago as I'm an automotive engineer and the Midlands is the place to be for the industry (for the moment, anyway :lol:

). Lived in Winyates West for a few years, then moved out to Astwood Bank just over five years ago. It's a lot better than it was, even in 10 years I've seen a vast improvement in the place.

by **C.L.Ward** » Sep 15th, '11, 11:37

yeh i think we'll have to agree to disagree on that point........ i think the more intellectualy capable are more likely to come up with more solutions than people who aren't as on the ball, but i don't think that would put them any closer to working out how things are done!! anyhow thats all trivial.......

yeah the problem with kids is they're far too inquisitive for their own good!! lol......

ah right, so you left one sh**hole for another then!! lol...... winyates west is quite nice, my mom lives on the west side!! i lived in crabbs cross for a while and i have an aunt that lives in astwood bank, she lives in one of those fancy bungalows just up the road from my old school.
I haven't been back to redditch in like..........god knows actually.......before i joined the army so we're talking at least 4 years!! i moved away from their like 7 years ago and never looked back since!! lol...... it was on a downward spiral for the longest time.....i hear theres a cinema i the shoppping center now though, so guess it's going back up in the world!! haha

by **DJBenz** » Sep 15th, '11, 12:00

C.L.Ward wrote:ah right, so you left one sh**hole for another then!! lol......

How very dare you sir! Newcastle is a lovely place.

i hear theres a cinema i the shoppping center now though, so guess it's going back up in the world!! haha

Yup, and it's a lovely Sony 4K Digital (highest resolution) one too. Been down a couple of times to do press coverage of their special screenings.

There's a Debenhams and a Waterstones too (which is amazing, because for a long time I wasn't aware people from Redditch could read.

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