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Re: Math-based tricks

Postby MiKo » Nov 22nd, '11, 12:43



Robbie wrote:There's a difference between a "maths trick" and a "maths-based trick".

A maths trick is clearly centred around mathematics. "Think of a number, double it", etc. Age cards. Lightning calculation. Creating a magic square. Doing a knight's tour of the chessboard. Personally, I find them deadly dull. Children learn "think of a number" stuff and age cards in school. Mathematicians might be impressed by magic squares and knight's tours, but most people won't be. Lightning calculation more impressive to the non-mathematician, but there's no real "wow" factor. Numbers turn people off.

A maths-based trick exploits mathematical principles for its deep working, but on the surface doesn't seem to be mathematical. Paul Carnazzo's "Animania", for example, is based on the age cards principle, but is disguised as an ESP test on a single card. I've seen effects based on parity, and others based on modulo arithmetic.


So, based on your definition, I'd say that maths tricks are a subset of maths-based tricks... :)

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Re: Math-based tricks

Postby magicofthemind » Nov 22nd, '11, 14:49

MiKo wrote:
magicofthemind wrote:Topology is maths too. Hunter's Impossible Knot - my party piece for about 45 years - really upsets mathematicians.

Barry


This is the first time I think of topology applied to magic, I must say (shame on me, since I really love topology), could you elaborate a bit/ give some reading suggestions?


The Hunter Knot is tying a knot without letting go of the ends - topologically impossible. It's unfortunately exposed by a couple of ****s on YouTube, but you can see me demonstrating it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_iJUIZhfRg" target="_blank" target="_blank

It's in lots of books. I learnt it from Hugard's "Modern Magic Manual" (yet another plug). There's a whole chapter on it in Fulves's SW Rope Magic and you'll also find it in the Encyclopedia of Rope Magic.

Generally, check out anything on "recreational topology". Martin Gardner's and Bob Neale's books are good starting places. Bob Neale has a chapter in SW Paper Magic.

Barry

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Re: Math-based tricks

Postby MiKo » Nov 22nd, '11, 14:54

magicofthemind wrote:
Generally, check out anything on "recreational topology". Martin Gardner's and Bob Neale's books are good starting places. Bob Neale has a chapter in SW Paper Magic.

Barry


This is something I REALLY like (and didn't expect), thanks a lot for the advise.

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Re: Math-based tricks

Postby JabJay » Nov 25th, '11, 20:20

There is a great trick (not sure if someones mentioned it yet) with a calander. There is a method where you can ask a spectator to name any date between 2000-2099 and you can tell them instantly what day it would be. I used to perform it on stage, I had a book with calanders, would invite the spectator to choose a date and I would tell them what day it would be. If they choose a year from 2020 or such onwards you can also put in a gag about how it will probably rain that day. The whole method is mathmatics, it takes a while to get used to it but like anything it demands practise. I found it worked really well.

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