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So this is just a quick question for all the card workers amongst you. I'm trying to hunt down the origins for two sleights but for the life of me can't think of the creators or even the place I read or heard about them. If anyone could help this might be great, after all the collective minds on here are better than one. For obvious reasons I can't go ahead and openly describe the mechanics of the sleights on here so unfortunatly you're going to have to get a brief description here. What I'm hoping is that if these sound familiar but you need more infomation you will pm me as then I can obviously be more spacific. So here they are;

Sleight 1

A card reversal involving the Charlier Cut.

Sleight 2

A card reversal involving turning an already face up card in the deck. Not the sleight in which you turn the face up card and switch it when apparently placing it on the table, turning it but reversing another at the same time.

Again I'm sorry for the briefness of these descriptions but I hope someone might be able to pm me and just give me a hand. I'm not after how to do these before people ask, I can but I just can't remember where they came from.

Hope you can help and thank you in advance.

Do you have Counts, Cuts, Moves and Subtleties?

mrz0mbie wrote:Do you have Counts, Cuts, Moves and Subtleties?

No I don't unfortunatly, why is that? Does either of these crop up in there?

What I'm basically after if people can is the name of the creator if it's known, a source of where it can be found and the name of the sleight if it has one.

Possibly. It's hard to tell from your description but my first thought was it sounds like it could be a Braue Reversal

edit: Just read your description again and went to my book shelf. Braue reversal uses a double under rather than a charlier.

Strange question for anybody who has Counts, Cuts, Move and Subtleties, does your copy list the Braue Reversal as Brave reversal in the index? Strange because its not like a first edition I have, its a fourteenth!

mrz0mbie wrote:Possibly. It's hard to tell from your description but my first thought was it sounds like it could be a Braue Reversal

edit: Just read your description again and went to my book shelf. Braue reversal uses a double under rather than a charlier.

Strange question for anybody who has Counts, Cuts, Move and Subtleties, does your copy list the Braue Reversal as Brave reversal in the index? Strange because its not like a first edition I have, its a fourteenth!

I'm sorry your post is a little confusing. No, the Braue reversal isn't what I'm after. If you need more description then I'd be happy to descuss it more in private but I don't want to openly explain away the sleight due to the wandering eyes that come by these parts.

Basically the first sleight I'm after infomation on is where a card is reversed during the Charlier cut. The second is a little hard to describe without giving too much away but as I have said, I will descuss is via private messages if you would like.

On page 275 of 'Expert Card Technique' there is a trick called 'An Automatic Reverse' which uses a Charlier cut/pass to reverse the card but this is done behind the back as part of the routine, though the mechanics may be the same as what you seek.

Thanks for that. It's been a while since I picked up my 'Expert Card Technique'. Unfortunatly this isn't the same as the mechanics involved in what I'm doing. Thanks for the help though.

So it's starting to look as though people either just don't know or care. Well I hope it's not the latter. Please though, if anyone thinks they could help just message me for more infomation as it will be of great help to me to find the names of these sleights and their sources.

Again, I'm not after how to do these moves. I'm just after the infomation about them.

The second sounds like LaReverse by Jennings?

I've taken a look at my 'Ultimate Card Mgaic' which has the description of LarReverse but it doesn't seem to be the same. It seemed similar at first but then seems to differ in the end.

If it helps I will explain the deltails of the move I'm after the infomation about in private if this helps. Please let me know.

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