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Trick deck sort of help

Postby Pepsi Twist » Feb 15th, '12, 21:06



Hey guys, I am woefully incapable of doing a good job of trimming some of my cards down, there is a trick deck that features some of these slightly smaller cards that begins with S. Can I just buy an S deck, take 1 card out and put it in a normal deck, and use it as a S card?? I hope this makes sense, but not too much sense!

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Re: Trick deck sort of help

Postby Reverend Tristan » Feb 15th, '12, 21:09

Yes you could take one of the S cards and put it in a normal deck :D I've got a feeling that somewhere like cards4magic do short cards, anyone??

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Re: Trick deck sort of help

Postby Pepsi Twist » Feb 15th, '12, 21:15

Haha I didn't know if I could say short cards :D I've been trying to make them but I'm terrible, so I might just order a special deck, take out the short cards and stick them in normal decks, I just wanted to make sure it would work, thank you :)

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Re: Trick deck sort of help

Postby Karma » Feb 15th, '12, 22:48

Or try curved nail scissors for the corners. I only use the short one as a key so it's not really noticed if it's not perfect.

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Re: Trick deck sort of help

Postby Lord Freddie » Feb 15th, '12, 23:16

Davenports sell a device which trims you cards down to the required size.

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Re: Trick deck sort of help

Postby Mandrake » Feb 15th, '12, 23:22

Metal ruler, craft knife, steady hand, sand paper/side of matchbox/emery board to smooth the corners round again - job done! Corner shortening is easier and less likely to be spotted, use nail scissors as suggested or nail clippers or even a corner rounding punch from craft shops.

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Re: Trick deck sort of help

Postby Pickman » Feb 15th, '12, 23:26

You can buy an entire short card deck here http://www.cards4magic.co.uk/ - just type short card into the search box. You can also buy from there a single long card to use as a locator in a regular deck.

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Re: Trick deck sort of help

Postby kartoffelngeist » Feb 16th, '12, 00:01

Annemann suggests doing something that I'm not sure if I can say. I can't even remember which Annemann book it's in (there are a fair few). It involves something which can often happen to the corner of a card by accident, esp when handled by muggles. Can we say it? It works pretty well, not as well as a proper corner short, but it's worth trying, and handy for 'borrowed deck' type situations...

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Re: Trick deck sort of help

Postby hds02115 » Feb 16th, '12, 14:14

Just a thought, but is it really worth paying all that money for another deck. I'm sure cutting a short card isn't that difficult that it warrents spending upwards of ten pounds for a random deck. This is why if I use a marked deck, I mark it myself. I mean really, pay ten or twenty pounds on a marked deck or about two and spend half an hour or so marking it myself. I feel the effort taken out weighs the cost.

Personally I like the Dai Vernon short card which I think is in one of his card secrets books or perhaps in the stars of magic.

As an after thought, as an alternative for a short card you could take a sleightly older, more used card from another deck. This makes it easier to cut to. Also if you happen to have one, there are decks which are traditionally cut rather than standard cut which means that they act in the same way as a reversed card, being easier to cut or riffle to. I believe the Richard Turner deck is traditionally cut.

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Re: Trick deck sort of help

Postby Reverend Tristan » Feb 16th, '12, 18:28

I find the best way is to place two cards together, pull one back a little bit and draw roundthe card now you have a perfect line to follow.
Scissors or craft knife and as someone said earlier a match box or emery board for the corners.
I think somewhere like lybrary sells a corner cutter that is the right size for plating cards.

Now if you just stuck two cards together you wouldhave another control card :D

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Re: Trick deck sort of help

Postby jim ferguson » Feb 16th, '12, 18:41

Reverend Tristan wrote:I find the best way is to place two cards together, pull one back a little bit and draw roundthe card now you have a perfect line to follow.
    When using a traditionally cut short that is exactly what i do, except i simply score the card with a needle rather than use a pen or pencil.

    Ive noticed this topic seems to come up every now and again and can never understand the fuss. Just get a good pair of scissors and cut the thing, practice on an old deck or the advertising cards or something. Unless the card is going to be scrutinised it doesnt have to be perfect.
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Re: Trick deck sort of help

Postby Allen Tipton » Feb 20th, '12, 15:45

If you did buy a deck of short cards--make sure you ask for a matching normal deck as well--in case the shorts do not match your own deck.

Not quite the shorts you mean But:
Douglas Hood who used to make his own stripper/Biseaute Decks--for sale to dealers--used a simple plywood board with a small paper guillotine on it. The cards were held by 3 nails--could have been 4--it was 60 years ago!!. The way he had placed the nails put the cards in the right position.

His Strippers were end ones--not the usual long ones. I always thought as a kid that this was a more natural way to hold the deck when stripping--no jokes guys--please!!
The only time I have ever come across end strippers was in Jean Hugard.

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Re: Trick deck sort of help

Postby mr invisible » Feb 21st, '12, 21:54

Pepsi Twist wrote:Hey guys, I am woefully incapable of doing a good job of trimming some of my cards down, there is a trick deck that features some of these slightly smaller cards that begins with S. Can I just buy an S deck, take 1 card out and put it in a normal deck, and use it as a S card?? I hope this makes sense, but not too much sense!
Hi there pepsi twist, how did you get on with all the good advice regarding your short card dilema? hmmm!!! from derby hey? only a few miles down the A6 from you. 8)

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Re: Trick deck sort of help

Postby Pickman » Feb 21st, '12, 22:44

Theo Annemann also recommends when making a short locator card instead of a straight line, a very shallow curve should be cut at both ends (1/16 of an inch at it's deepest) this way, there is no need to tap the deck to 'settle' the short card when you wish to cut to it.

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