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Rob wrote:Best place I could recommend you stard, aside from Ryal Road/Card College, is this DVD - ftopic6756.php;" target="_blank" target="_blank as far as I've found, it's pretty much the definitive take on the subject.

magicbob123 wrote:

Rob wrote:Best place I could recommend you stard, aside from Ryal Road/Card College, is this DVD - ftopic6756.php;" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank as far as I've found, it's pretty much the definitive take on the subject.

I've just watched 20 maybe 30 mins of that dvd and already most of my uncertainty has been cast aside and I've also decided that phoenix aces is going into my "to do" list for tricks I'm adding to my routine.

bmat wrote:Here is the thing, aside from the pass. The DL is arguably the most difficult move in card magic. Want proof? Go look at youtube video's. Most DL are done horribly. When watching another magician perform I find myself cringing when an attempt is made.

Two issues come to light. Many find all these odd ways of turning over a double that seem to make it easier, yet when they are turning over a single card they just turn it over, no fuss no muss, then the DL is attempted and the tension in the arms and shoulders stick out like a sore thumb, the card is often swiveled with the corner pivoted around the base of the thumb. That doesn't scream something is fishy at all, (sarcasm) The key is to turn over a single, double, triple etc the same way you would turn over a single. Ideally just turn over a single card, now find a method to turn over the double that looks exactly the same. Also if you don't feel you have to prove when you are turning over a single card, then why do you feel you have to prove you are turning over a single, when actually using a DL? Get rid of the guilt. It is one card, get that in your head and keep it there.

In my case, I hold the deck in the left hand dealer grip. Using the left thumb I push over the top card my right fingers grasp the leading edge and flip the card over onto its back so it so it is resting face up on the face down deck. Using the very basic DL I do the exact same thing for the DL.

What it takes it practice. I believe most magicians think (and they are right) that this is a basic move in magic. Where they are wrong is that they think that because it is basic it is therefore easy. Try it out a few times, deem it as 'passable' and go out and use it. Even though it looks like garbage.

Here is what I don't understand. The same magician will learn the pass and practice it for months and months but will be afraid to use it because it doesn't look right to them, same with a classic force. Yet when it comes to the DL it is perfectly fine to go out and perform it when it isn't ready yet. Go figure.