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I know that there are numerous posts on memorised decks. However, I have a very specific question which I can't find the answer to.

Does anyone know of a memorised deck that can be stacked in a cyclical manner, such as 1 4 7 10 (but oviously not 1 4 7 10). I was considering using Nikola but soon realised that stacking it might become a chore if used in a routine that puts it out of sequence (which I would). I've spent all day tring to invent my own, but my maths is crxp! I accept that there's an element of laziness to this, but I think I'd just feel more comfortable with a cyclical deck. I don't know why, maybe someone can convert me?

Ta!

Wouldnt it be a case of finding a cyclical stack and then using mnemonics to remember the positions? My favourite stack is Osterlinds BReakthrough card system for its deceptiveness.

Is osterlinds BCS cyclical? ie, Can it be stacked quickly in a simple way similar to 1 4 7 10? If it is then I could just stack it and memorise the stack?

Sorry i misunderstood. It is cyclical, ie can be cut anywhere, but theres only 1 rotation of the stack in a deck.

Fantastic. I think I might give that a go. It was either that or aronson! Thanks! K

The Sti Stebbins can be set up in about a minute from New deck order ... Dunno if your looking for something a bit more sophisticated in terms of the tricks you can do with it though

I'm just not happy using the si stebbins because of its 'perceived' transparency. There's a wonderful effect that Ostrelind does, I think it's from 13 steps? But a person cuts the deck and puts the top three cards in their breast pocket. The performer gets them to quickly pull them out in succession, naming them before they do so. It plays really well but if you end up with a 3 6 9 type progression it can feel transparent? I was after something cyclical (as a comfort blanket) that could be stacked quickly, and that appears more random than a si stebbins? All thoughts welcome??

If you don't want to memorize a whole deck the BCS is one of your best bets.

Lenoir wrote:If you don't want to memorize a whole deck the BCS is one of your best bets.

What's the best source? I think I've heard it's on one of his DVD's but I've also seen it as a PDF?

Many thanks!

If you want something quick to stack then consider Eight Kings. Personally i find it easier to use than stebbins, it has all the same properties as stebbins except there is no obvious pattern to be detected within each bank of 13 cards.


If you want something more like BCS (which isn't that quick to set up) then i would suggest looking at the Ayres Shuffled System, the pattern is just as hidden as BCS, but easier to move from one card to the next.
Its in his ebook Noetic License:
http://www.mickayreswares.com/the_act_series

kevmundo wrote:I'm just not happy using the si stebbins because of its 'perceived' transparency. There's a wonderful effect that Ostrelind does, I think it's from 13 steps? But a person cuts the deck and puts the top three cards in their breast pocket. The performer gets them to quickly pull them out in succession, naming them before they do so. It plays really well but if you end up with a 3 6 9 type progression it can feel transparent? I was after something cyclical (as a comfort blanket) that could be stacked quickly, and that appears more random than a si stebbins? All thoughts welcome??

"Percieved transparency"? I suppose if you are only performing at the local magic club, and even then you will fool 99 percent of them with a stebbins stack, of course you will fool most of them with a stripper deck as well.

Thanks for all the replies. Your advice is most welcome!! I guess using a si stebbins just makes me 'feel' vulnerable to detection, even though in reality, I'm probably not. I just wouldnt want that fear to manifest itself into the performance!

kevmundo wrote:I'm just not happy using the si stebbins because of its 'perceived' transparency. There's a wonderful effect that Ostrelind does, I think it's from 13 steps? But a person cuts the deck and puts the top three cards in their breast pocket. The performer gets them to quickly pull them out in succession, naming them before they do so. It plays really well but if you end up with a 3 6 9 type progression it can feel transparent? I was after something cyclical (as a comfort blanket) that could be stacked quickly, and that appears more random than a si stebbins? All thoughts welcome??

My thoughts are that this indeed is a wonderful effect and that maybe the stack Richard actually uses to demonstrate this would be better!