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palming

Postby Relish » Aug 28th, '12, 23:00



I have read Royal Road and Card College, but still can't get used to palming. Nothing fancy like a one handed top palm or tenkai, just a normal palm.

It seems books aren't helping, so can anyone recommend a dvd which covers palming, from the basics.

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Re: palming

Postby Lady of Mystery » Aug 29th, '12, 09:12

What exactly are you having trouble with, perhaps someone could offer some advice?

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Re: palming

Postby russpie » Aug 29th, '12, 10:34

I struggled with the confidence of palming until I had worked with Extractor for a while. It does give you the confidence you need to have a card palmed because they've just put the card into the boxed pack so the heat is off. Recently i've been throwing in a quick card to pocket as part of my ACR just by palming. I use the action of making sure my sleeves are rolled up to cover the smaller movement. It's surprising when you know what's going on that no one ever picks you up on it because they haven't got a clue.

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Re: palming

Postby Allen Tipton » Aug 29th, '12, 15:52

Russ: Possibly the latest and probably the best DVD on Card Palming is;

Practical Card Palming by Bob White. See reviews on Genii Forum.
Bob White was a confidant of both Dai Vernon & Charlie Miller and strove with this DVD to explain palming in a PRACTICAL way
***CHECK You Tube for his Cards Up The Sleeve.

It costs about £37 from Alakazam--but SHOP around AS someone on E bay is offering it at £38 plus p/p!!

Possibly one of the very FEW times I would recommend a DVD more than a book as being the most useful & practical way of learning sleights.
With this one you will not fall into the stupid trap many magicians fall into. That is to copy the style & often complete routines of the DVD's author.
This is a purely teaching sleights DVD although Bob does demonstrate his Cards Up The Sleeve on it to illustrate his points.

But!
If I were you FIRST : I would see if I know any magician (are you in a Magic Club) whose work with cards you know & respect--ASK him to show/teach you before you lash out cash on a DVD--no matter how good it is.

Bob White deals with the following palms:

Simple Erdnase Top Palm
Topping the Deck
Tip Up Palm
Berg Palm
Erdnase Top Palm
White Top Palm
One Hand Top Palm
Lowey Palm
Erdnase Bottom Palm
Dead Hand Palm
Hofzinser Bottom Palm
Braue Bottom Palm

There is also a Card Palming DVD by John Carney but I have never seen it.

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Re: palming

Postby craigie » Aug 29th, '12, 18:19

I am in the same boat, an it is because of small hands, now I know your going to say that its not an excuse but it really is, any method of palming that I have came across describe the the hand hould be grasping the card. The problem is that my 4 fingers together are not wider than a standard card. This means I either hand card sticking out from either side of the fingers or I have windows which I feel are noticeable.

Someone re assure me that things are ok and its ok to have windows before I throw a deck of cards at the window.

Ps sorry for hijacking your post just wanted to know and thought it would be pointless making another post the same

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Re: palming

Postby Allen Tipton » Aug 29th, '12, 18:33

Craige: What about 'The Gambler's Palm' Not gripped in normal palm but at base of thumb and opposite side.

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Re: palming

Postby craigie » Aug 29th, '12, 18:36

I will check it out Allen thanks! I really need to get palming down it opens up a lot more tricks.

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Re: palming

Postby Lady of Mystery » Aug 30th, '12, 09:52

Hand size really doesn't matter, I've only got small hands but have found ways around not being able to completely cover the card. Have a think about the angle that your hand is at when palming. If you're finding that the card's over hanging your little finger, tilt your hand slightly and you'll probably find that this will hide the card.

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Re: palming

Postby Johnny Wizz » Aug 30th, '12, 14:24

Lady of Mystery wrote:Hand size really doesn't matter, I've only got small hands but have found ways around not being able to completely cover the card. Have a think about the angle that you're hand is at when palming. If you're finding that the card's over hanging your little finger, tilt your hand slightly and you'll probably find that this will hide the card.


For anyone worried about palming this is all you need to know. For a man, I have small hands and when I palm I know that I don't always cover all of the card. The point is that the spectator has no idea what you are doing, doesn't know what to expect next and almost always is going to watch where the deck is going and what you are doing with it. He / she will not be burning your "empty" hand

One of my current favourite tricks is Childs Play. This calls for a palm but it comes at a moment when all eyes, without exception, will be elsewhere, if you want an effect to get confidence with palming this is a cracker.

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Re: palming

Postby Relish » Aug 30th, '12, 18:26

Thanks or all the advice here everyone. I have recently joined a society and there is a meeting soon so i think my first stop will be to ask there for help. My problem is that im never sure where he corners and edges of the card should rest in my hand, ive tried reading descriptions, but hopefully someone showing me will be a help. If that doesnt help, then Ill pick p the dvd Allen recommended.


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Re: palming

Postby johnnyryanUK » Aug 31st, '12, 22:41

practise practise practise, youtube youtube youtube always refer to RRTCM RRTCM RRTCM practise practise practise

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Re: palming

Postby Mr Grumpy » Sep 3rd, '12, 19:59

Johnny Wizz wrote:One of my current favourite tricks is Childs Play. This calls for a palm but it comes at a moment when all eyes, without exception, will be elsewhere, if you want an effect to get confidence with palming this is a cracker.


Just thought I'd mention, for anyone who has read this post and can't palm and for one reason or another doesn't currently intend to learn, and is interested in Child's Play, Child's Play has no-palm versions included on the VDV.

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Re: palming

Postby johnnyryanUK » Sep 4th, '12, 16:03

practice it until your brain burns!! That's how I have learnt all my sleight of hand with cards like hindu shuffle pick up control or the 'glide'.

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Re: palming

Postby IanKendall » Sep 4th, '12, 16:39

As well as the Bob White DVD there are a few other places you can look;

John Carney has a very good DVD on various palming techniques.
Mike Close has a DVD called the Power of Palming, but also wrote three e-books called The Work. They have embedded video, and are an excellent way to learn. You can find them on Lybrary.com
I have a collection of lessons from the Virtual Sessions on the top palm, Gambler's Cop and one hand top palm, at www.virtualmagicshow.com

If you want to learn something well, avoid YouTube at all costs. The best results may come from personal instruction, but make sure that the person teaching you is competent themselves...

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