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Whats the differences with the Tally-Ho Viper Playing Cards and the Tally-Ho VIPER Silver Fan Back. Is the design of the Silver fan back the only difference. Which would be better to get?

I'm thinking about buying one each because i would like to get a variety of quality cards. Anything else i need to know before paying for them?

I don't own the fan back vipers, so I can't comment. The Circle back vipers were lacking in quality (they also smelled funny and felt greasy) but I've HEARD the silver fan backs were better.

If they truly are the same - then the only difference is the LOOK of the cards. You can't go wrong with a regular pack of Tally Ho's circle or fan back - they're some of the best cards you can buy.

If you're a collector, snag a deck or two of the vipers. If nothing else, they do LOOK cool, although I don't think the fan backs have red pips (the circle back vipers do)

Hope that helps.

There's one difference - the silver fan back vipers have all silver pips whereas the circle back vipers have crimson pips on the red cards.

I have a deck of Vipers and I don't like them. As Demitri said, they feel as if they've been waxed - greasy . I don't have the fan back ones so if you do get them let me know whether they're good or not .

Kati

Thanks for the replies, I'm going to get both of them so i can see if i like them or not

Go crazy; do what you want to do, it's only a pack of cards!!!

GoldFish wrote:Go crazy; do what you want to do, it's only a pack of cards!!!

A very expensive pack of cards may I add!

StEvEbO!

i do think these have a place in magic though...many magi on here and i too will defenitely recomend against using this pack in a regular performance as the spectators will simply pass this off as a gaffed deck. But if your dealing with a very serious corporate crowd or a very very high end group these would fit in perfectly. Mind you the dress for this occasion should defenitely be formal. But yes in that case i do think these would fit in perfectly. And hex if you've already picked up on both these packs and find yourself performing for a corporate crowd you can use both the decks for a Do as i Do effect. They both look sorta the same but one can easily tell which is which...so that makes it perfect for the specatators to identify who has what deck. Or if you really wanted you could even play along something of these lines. Have a regular deck of bikes and a deck of vipers. Make up a story whereby the viper deck is some sort of black phantom or secret agent. then explain to the specs that youre gonna play a modern version of cops and robbers. The red or blue deck will be a cop working in a normal world. And all of a sudden the black phantom comes along (pull out viper). Along those lines you could have a Do as i Do effect whereby the spectator gets to be the black phantom but you prove just how good this cop is and youre always on his track. This way this spectator is somewhat convinced that the deck is normal and theyre also given a choice at first so are even more convinced.

Well, I've heard many ways to introduce a black deck to an audience, and I do hope you enjoy your Vipers. I do own a set of both the circle backs and the fan-backs and I must say they are one of the best cards I've handled. The UV500 finish is absolutely fantastic! Just know how to break in a new set of playing cards, and in soon time, you'll love these cards and perhaps even buy more! Know that though the first editions (noted by the white flap at the bottom (instead of silver)) does have it's flaws abit, but either way, these cards are very nice.

Now I'm waiting for that Ghost Deck Bicycle's coming out with this August.

I know how to break cards in - but the problem with that is that once you DO break in tigers or vipers - the edges are already beginning to show signs of wearing and fading (a TREMENDOUS, but unavoidable design flaw).

As for the Ghost deck, I'm also looking forward to them. The Ace of spades card is especially cool looking. The minimal use of color is a nice touch, as well. If E has learned from the mistakes of the originals, this could be THE deck they've been trying to deliver. I'm skeptical, since the finish is the same as the Vipers - which I didn't care for. However, they claimed to fix this with the second edition, so I'm still hopeful.

Demitri wrote:I know how to break cards in - but the problem with that is that once you DO break in tigers or vipers - the edges are already beginning to show signs of wearing and fading (a TREMENDOUS, but unavoidable design flaw).

well... the edges can be touched up by using a black sharpie, but you have to do each one individually and then lay them all out (to prevent the cards to stick to each other as well as letting it dry for 24 hours or so (as stated in "The Black Deck Book") it's a pain in the *rse.. i'll tell ya...

and as far as the second editions go, yeah... they fixed the problems... i have a few second edition Vipers and you can feel the improvement. go UV500!! haha....

They actually TELL you to do that? That makes me even more angry, now. The problem with the decks is the way they're made. To be true "black" decks, they should have been black card stock with white ink. Unfortunately, that isn't a practical method, and would have jacked the prices beyond what they already are.

That's why I think the ghost deck is the way to go. It's exactly the reason I was working on similar design ideas with my own deck concept. Now that E has gone this route, I guess I can put mine on the back burner and save tons of money! YAY!!! Back to making my own gaffs, now!

SquallLHeart wrote: Just know how to break in a new set of playing cards,

Hi there all!

After reading this post, I'm now wondering if there is an preferred way to break in a deck? I find bikes far too slippery when they are brand new, but have noticed that after a day or so, they are manageable.

Any tips for breaking them in, but not ruining them too quickly?!!

Also - what do you guys do with your 'spent' bikes?

On the subjecy of breaking in any pack of cards without immediately destroying them, i just simply cut and shuffle all the time (force of habit with a deck) but it seems to do the trick. I dont Faro shuffle with a new deck as i find sometimes it can fray the corners of the cards, i only faro with decks that have been broken in, it seems easier to get a smoother faro with an alread y used deck.

So, my way to break in a deck is just handle them a lot, does the trick for me, but dont leave then on the windeow sill in bakeing hot temperatures like i did, as that particular deck is now "U" shaped


Mark