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TonyB wrote:Mark, you might not be wrong. I love watching Bill Malone.

But when someone takes out a deck in a club - assuming I would join a club - I am off to the chipper.

seymourmagic wrote:It was never said that "I have excellent card trick skills" this was a thread where I and another member had a discussion where he suggested some books on cards for me, we had been discussing my goal to get a stage act going and we discussed a coin in a bottle, wich coin is better in what situation etc..., speaking to him I mentioned that I know and use many of the sleights in that book he suggested and my fans have improved greatly and now are very good, nearly perfect, whatever, this was just a quick reply in response to a book suggestion, I wasn't putting out my biography or asked what I was working on or I would have said something like the ambitious card, card through window, signed torn and restored, these things werent said because it wasn't in context with the discussion I was having at the time, I made a quick comment about my flourishes and fans in reguard to declining a certain book, then I went on with the topic at hand, at that time coins. Then a third party joined the conversation, saying that fans have nothing to do with magic, and my saying I'm good at them doesn't reveal any of my knowledge of magic and so forth and so on, the hover card comments are out of context as well, something that happened when I was a teenager over twenty years ago, the hover card incident, and the card fan post, have nothing to do with one another; were talking about a twenty year spread in time difference here. Though it was all through some misunderstanding of one another
I thought Bmat actually believed flourishes including fans had nothing to do with magic, and as I said before I use the fans to aid in productions and thats something to do with magic, anyway I just thought it would be an interesting topic, I didn't know it would bring about the re-hashing of past posts, I opened a can of worms on this one
I feel I was misunderstood.judged harshly,a bit unfairly, and prematurely but thats o.k. I got broad shoulders. if you was told someone was excellent at the invisible pass, that does say something about their ability to perform a magic trick, it's the only move needed besides a DL to do an ambitious card routine and guess what..that's a magic trick.Or are we talking about a more literal meaning of the word "perform" I wasn't asked about my ability to perform, those comments on invisi pass, elmsly,DL's etc... were in response to why I didnt need a beginners book of sleights. Things taken out of context as much here as in the political campaigns, geesh.
heres the quote, I wasnt to lazy to go get it ..."What do card fans have to do with the quality or calibre of magic? Nothing! They are not needed and they are more a demonstration of a flourish rather then card effect quality."
So I get told this, but he posts above that he uses flourishes all the time, I'm only saying in response to this quote, in some instances they are needed. Maybe needed is to strong a word... advantageous perhaps, and in my opinion, they do add to the quality and calibre of magic. see below posted link titled "cards can look magical", tell me his fans don't add to his quality or calibre of magic, do you really think this is so? would it have made a difference had I told you I was working on cards from air, and fan productions, rather than just doing good fans? perhaps, you then would of understood how they add to the quality of my magic?
Again I didn't give any details about my effects because I wasn;t asked about them.
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magicofthemind wrote:Card manipulation CAN look magical:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tnlopTpbF8" target="_blank

Barry