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by **Jordan C** » Nov 13th, '12, 11:12

That's him lol

by **Aza** » Nov 13th, '12, 11:14

magician242 wrote:As I see it, if a magician is able to amaze people and make them think that they have achieved the impossible then that is the definition of the job of a magician. Through the means he does this are of no importance. People always say you should not be put off an effect because you know the method. I am aware that sleight of hand when done well gives several of the greatest illusions known to man, there is something beautiful about having the finesse to carry out a move like that, but the point I am trying to make is that I think you are getting carried away by the idea that only magic that is beautiful to us magicians is good enough to perform for spectators. If you can accomplish and effect using gimmicks and gaffs as well as advanced sleight of hand, although you will be regarded higher by magicians, the layman will think they are both the same. Maybe some magicians don't like to think of themselves as cheating but that is our job, to deceive, it is not elegant that is another illusion we are using to make the spectators experience more enjoyable, we can play at being fancy with cards and just using gaffs, as we play with having a coin in one hand while concealing it in the other, it is yet another illusion. Remember "A magician is simply an actor playing the role of a magician". I am happy to cheat with gimmicks as long as the laymen believes it. Our job is to deceive and thus amaze, so if that means telling a dirty blatant lie then that is what it takes, I think you'll find the thing that Derren brown calls "showmanship" is polite for lies and deceit. I use gaffs and gimmicks and I should not and will not be afraid or scared to say that in this forum because that qualifies me as just as much of a magician all you professional magicians out there, whether or not you want to talk about sleight of hand is another matter, but as long as I can amaze people with apparent impossible phenomena, I will and I will be just as successful as the professionals as I can do effects as strong as theirs with means other than sleight of hand and of course using sleight of hand too. When magic gets to the point that sleight of hand magic is much more impressive than any other means of accomplishing an effect then, and only then will I rely solely on sleight of hand to achieve my effects.

I couldn't agree more with your wall of text and i would suggest that you re-read the posts provided by certain members of the site again. They are only trying to help, trust me, we don't care if you walk around with £10,000 worth of gimmicks in your pockets doing magic, good luck to you! Yes it is the same effect, but what the more "mature" (polite way of saying older and more experienced) magicians are trying to say is as follows:

"you can achieve the same effect by spending £2 on a deck of cards and a month solid practice, or you can spend £50 on a special deck that requires no sleights"

I know which one i would prefer, but I'm tight with my money! Yes the layman see the same effect, but then again so would my wallet....and also if you practice the basics, you have a grounding in magic for use at any time, without the need of gimmicks or gaffs. If you wish to spend your money in this way, then please don't let us stop you, in fact i have a fair few bits and pieces i will sell to you for cheap, but you don't strike me as having much spare cash with your low offer for a product i was willing to sell you.

Please go back and re-read the words and wisdom again, and try to take them as helpful comments, not attacks on you personally, we don't know you here, but as Jordan pointed out your original post read as if you were lazy and unwilling to learn the basics.

And one final thing another wise man once told me, tricks do not make the magician, presentation and interpersonal skills do.

Again, not having a go, just remember there are some wise words to be gleaned from the people here, who give their time (for free) willingly to help shape and nurture new magicians, so please consider taking their advice.

Much love

Aza

by **Lawrence** » Nov 13th, '12, 11:23

#cough# ILC Deck #cough#

by **Aza** » Nov 13th, '12, 11:31

Lawrence wrote:#cough# ILC Deck #cough#

Or of course you could buy an ILC Deck that requires no sleights, but is a fantastic product...

#cough#

Much love

Aza

by **Lawrence** » Nov 13th, '12, 14:55

To be fair the PDF has a sleight in it.
And its original too.

by **magician242** » Nov 28th, '12, 17:40

I really do like the idea of the ILC deck, I am slowly warming to mentalism and bizarre magick, although the feats are possible, there is absolutely no explanation. However the description for the ILC deck is a bit brief, would you be willing to tell me more about what the effect is?

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