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I've performed Healed and Sealed a good few times now.
I was wondering - wouldn't it make sense to seal the can before 'un-squishing' it? That way it looks as if it's the soda filling up inside it that's doing the 'unsquishing'. At the moment it's great as is - but in my mind doesn't make too much sense in the order it's in - the can restores, then you seal it - and suddenly it's full of soda. I know we're supposed to be doing magic - and therefore should be able to do anything - but I like to give my specs a possible impossible method, rather than just leave them wondering what the heck just happened.
What do you think?

Personally, I always 'seal' the can before it fills itself and have never even thought of doing it the other way round.

I guess its how you do the patter.....

I always make the can uncrumple, then "fill" it, and seal up the top, then open it. I have done it the other way too, depending on how I feel, and either way gets a good reaction.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, there's no right or wrong way, just personal preference.

P.S Theres a whole thread on this already, why another?

P.S Theres a whole thread on this already, why another?

Well then I wouldn't have been able to call it 'Yet Another' healed and sealed question
Actually - I haven't really looked at many of the H&S threads. Guilty - I know

Hi. This is my first ever post on here. Hope this topic has not been totally thrashed to death already.
Anyway my own opinion is that the sequence IS important. I have seen this effect on a number of demo clips on the net. [In fact I worked it out by watching them. I have not bought it]. I saw one demo on the MagicBox site which I thought was NOT convincing. He did what Taneous suggested - he took the used can and immediately sealed it. After that, he got rid of the dents. Then he opened the can and poured it out. Too easy for a keen-eyed observer to spot the method. Each stage TOO logically follows the previous.
To me the crucial aspect is using the spectators assumptions about normality to mislead him psychologically. Therefore it seems much better to take an empty dented can & show the bizarre way it can undent itself. You can emphasise it is empty by shaking out the last drops before you start. THEN you can reseal it and finally open it up to find it has magically refilled. I hope this make sense - I think the earlier actions should reinforce their assumption as much as possible; not prematurely contradict them.

I also have a question. Having spotted the method and done a few experiments I am wondering what else I might get if I buy the trick? I don't mind spending the tenner if there is good detail. EG how much or little is it possible to dent the can & still be able to undent it??? Would I get a lot of useful tips or should I just do a few more experiments of my own? Thanks!

hmm - good point. I have found that performing it the way I suggested isn't as powerful as when I perform it the way it is described in the booklet and i could never figure out why.

I also figured it out and then got the booklet out of courtesy to the inventer - it doesn't cost much. I think it's worth it - i certainly found the setup described in the booklet a lot simpler than what I was doing - and that has allowed me to perform it more often - but you might be doing that already. There are a few good ideas - but it's hard to say.

Thanks for your reply. I think I will invest the £10. Any help with this setup will save me time & mess! And I could spend £10 or more on Coke if I use trial and error! And I don't usually drink fizzy drinks anyway!!!

I'll post another comment after I get it....

i think you should buy it as in away your stealing from him if you know where im coming from, so might aswel pay the respect of paying him for his invention

Not sure I agree with the comment about stealing someone's invention. The history of magic is full of examples of one magician producing an effect & other magicians then devising ways to produce the same effect. Sometimes they came up with the same method, sometimes a different one. That is not the same as spying or bribing an assistant to reveal the secret.
Of course being able to replay a video does give us an unfair advantage these days. (Maybe 'never repeat a trick' should nowadays be 'never demo a trick on video'???)

Anyway I DID buy it & this is what I found:
The preparation is very slightly different from the one I devised. Not sure which I prefer yet.
It DOES include a few tips about how not to dent the can too much - which was one of my questions. But it doesn't go into huge detail.
There are some extra ideas about other effects that could be produced with the same principle. EG full can swaps places with empty one.
All in all, I am not disappointed - but not thrilled either. Having already sussed the principle, I would not want to have spent any more than £10 for the extra details.

If anyone is interested in my alternative preparation they can PM me. BUT I will only discuss it IF you can prove you already know the basic principle. DO NOT just ask me how it is done!!!! Cos that is NOT what this site is about.

I aggree with Nikodemus in that sealing the can before restoring it (ie as if the dents were being straigtened by the refilling liquid) is simple to much of a tip off for how the effect is actually achieved. I think the best way to do this trick is to present it simply as a demonstration of "magical psychokenisis" (ie not proper PK because that would not be in line with the magical refilling and sealing of the can) and then seal the can and refill it almost as a kicker. The key to this would be emphasising the can is empty all the way through, especially at the begining and just before resealing it, and then knocking them off their feet as you pour out real liquid from within an empty, used can.

I agree with Nikodemus to an extent as pertaining to stealing, but not completely. I do believe, though, that if you come up with it on your own and know that it is the same way Moden devised it you have an ethical obligation not to perform it in any professional capacity, especially if making money off of it until buying the booklet.