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Hi,

I have bought a variation on the card trick "out of this world", this variation is called "order this world".
I have managed to figure out the method for the original trick from the version I have bought.
But after watching the video on the penfguine magic site, I am just wondering how the shuffle at the start is done. Is it a stacked deck in someway or is it a blind shuffle of some sort?

Hope you don't mind answering this question as it wouldn't really be giving anything away to people who don't know how to do trick.

Thanks

Whichever way works for you!

You probably won't get a straight answer to this since it is effectively giving away an effect that is someone elses intellectual property, the problem is not with exposure to people who don't know how it is done but more to protect the people who come up with the ideas.

Understood, I am now able to do it using a run shuffle in the middle and it works 90% of the time for me. I probably just need more practice (hope thats not giving anything away).
Is is possible to stack the deck in such a way where you could do a hand shuffle, 2 times, like the one shown in the video?
If so, could someone email me the details? It's just that I've already paid for 1 version of the trick so I don't want to have to buy it again just for that little variation of it.

The Penguin version of out of this world gives the shuffle as an extra or bonus, it's not part of the OOTW routine.

There are many ways to either shuffle or false cut to give the impression that the card order has been changed, when in reality the order hasn't.

The Penguin version requires practice and a little concentration which will make it a little more difficult to perform if you're not experienced as you will need to learn the shuffle whist talking to the spec to make it unnoticeable. If you get the shuffle wrong, the effect will not work and you need to do the shuffle successfully, twice before perfroming the OOTW routine.

That's all that I'm saying

Thanks I figured the shuffle out.

You must check out the Roy Johnson version, called Unworldly and found in his book, Second Time Round; pages 35 to 38. The book is still available from Goodliffe Publications. You can borrow the deck and have it genuinely shuffled. Only half the deck is used so boring time waste is cut out,.It's all totally impromptu thanks to the genius of Roy Johnson.
Allen Tipton.

Allen,

The version I do is probably the same. A borrowed or shuffled deck. It blows peoples socks off, you don't need to go to the original version of a set up deck

Tenko wrote:Allen,

The version I do is probably the same. A borrowed or shuffled deck. It blows peoples socks off, you don't need to go to the original version of a set up deck

I don't know if this is the same handling but there's a very nice handling in Thirteen - it's very easy to do (sleightless) and can be done from a borrowed shuffled deck - perfect!

I actually on the whole dislike OOTW, as I find that the effect is waaaaaay too long, and the climax is expected for pretty much the entire trick. I generally perform a version using the Substitute Transfer called Dowsing, which you can find on Three Ring Circus. I'm sure some of you out there will guess how it's done but it's worth getting the DVD anyway - the keyrings are phenomenal!

Kati

Kati - can you do a review of Thirteen or PM me on your thoughts?

I've got this one on my list of things to order was was planning on sending this weekend. Also, anyone have the Corporate Close Up DVD by Martin Sanderson and can either review or quickly PM me with their thoughts?

Thanks in anticipation

As someone who is fairly new to the magic scene, I'm after learning a killer OOTW routine. I realise all the wise and knowing people in this forum are probably sick of OOTW related questions, but can you oblige me just this once, pretty please?? I've read about COSMOS, OOTU, several different impromptu handlings, I even own good old Gerry Griffins complete card magic set which has a colour separation effect, but would like some good old fashioned advice from some seasoned veterans.
Just humour me and I'll never bother any of you again!

I'd love to. Only problem - what do you want advice on?

Kati

Hi there,

Well, where do I start?! Any sort of advice on OOTW would be brill. I've read that Paul Curry's original version takes some beating, but isn't impromptu. Where can I find it, and what about the other routines? Do people generally agree on the best version, or do they all have their favourites? Anyway thanks in advance for sharing wisdom

Some impromptu handlings of OOTW make the assumption in the instructions that you already know the basic OOTW handling. I've rerad a number of comments about the original handling being too long etc. but to be honest, I don't agree and often use a basic version as it's all down to the presentation.

I am familiar with the original OOTW, and for such a simple trick, you get such astounding reactions. I've just heard that there are other versions that allow the spectator to shuffle the cards before beginning. Gerry Griffin does a colour separation called Use Your Powers For Good, and I was wondering if any impromptu handlings were based on this?

Well, if you know how to do a color separation then it's easy - put 2 and 2 together and you can prepare for OOTW! (trying to be vague here...)

I would recommend that you take a look either at THIRTEEN or at Three Ring Circus - both contain good impromptu versions and in Three Ring Circus you learn a phenomenally useful move called the substitute transfer...worth getting !

Kati