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For that matter, a stripper deck would be perfect - just a little prep and you're ready to rumble!

Kati

I wasn't too keen on the handling that's shown on the Thirteen DVD! I can't put my finger on exactly why but it just didn't do it for me. Perhaps it was the presentation as there are a couple of other tricks that I really liked but have changed the presentation.

I'd recommend that you look elsewhere for an OOTW variation than this DVD.

dat8962 wrote:Some impromptu handlings of OOTW make the assumption in the instructions that you already know the basic OOTW handling. I've rerad a number of comments about the original handling being too long etc. but to be honest, I don't agree and often use a basic version as it's all down to the presentation.

I would agree with this, I am rarely in a one-on-one situation when performing and it is very easy to keep the interest during the longer presentation, in fact I like the use of two people as I feel it adds an extra level of impossibility.

If I were in a one-on-one I would use Derren Brown's version from Devil's Picture Book (and if I were to do a living/dead seperation I would use this method too) but despite being more streamlined I feel it loses out slightly by being a one person jobby.

As for separations, the angle separation is the one I always use.

Someone asked where to get hold of the original Curry version of OOTW for those who don't know it.
I expect it is in lots of books on self-working card magic.
But it is also clearly explained in Paul Zenon's Street Magic book.

I don't think it would be good value for money to buy it as a one-off trick from Penguin ($8 = £5 ??) or elsewhere.

I suspect that different people would put a different value on effects such as these.

I bought mine as a Penguin download (shame on me - was before I knew better) and I thought that it was value for money, more so that other downloads.

I would suspect that when OOTW was first bought to market it wold have sold for many many more times that price and people would have been grabbing it without any quibble about value.

£5 is a small price to pay in my opinion for something so strong.

I agree with you. It is an awesome effect & well worth £5.
My point was merely that nowadays you can probably find it with 50-100 other tricks in a book costing not much more than £5 [although I admit the Zenon book I mentioned is £15].

I'd agree with that too.

We're now seeing some strong secrets reveled as part of cheap collections just so that a few bucks can be made.

What's disapointing to me is that some magicians don;t appear happy enough when they've made it. They appear to use their now widely known name to cash in.

Actually my assumption was that anyone shopping for OOTW should want to get it at the best price they could. So I thought I would point out that buying it 'stand alone' is not the best way to spend your money.

Let's not get into the whole debate about exposure/selling of secrets on this thread. I am just grateful that magic books ARE available at a reasonably affordable price. I certainly couldn't have invented all the stuff I have learnt from RRTCM onward.

PS Going to PM you about Cosmos!

Lennart Green's one-two colour separation is still my preferred method.

Although, I have to say that by far the simplest way is to use a stripper deck, as suggested. The set-up is rapid.

Of course, though, to obtain the effect from a borrowed deck, the spectator is of course far happier to see the cards pre-mixed.

So, let me tell you why Green's version (one-two separation) is so great:

1. Unlike the angle separation, the one-two separation has three or four stages. At any stage, the deck looks pretty mixed up. It is only the final stage which puts everything in order.

2. Because there are little chunks of work done, the deck can be shown several times BEFORE the effect, during the separation, and it still looks pretty messed up

3. It seems totally impossible to the spectator that you've been able to separate the colours simply in the time you take

4. Because in a true OOTW presentation there should be no inference of the final outcome, the spectator should not be suspecting what you're doing anyway. This gives ample time for horseplay.

Now, add to this that the final outcome is the SPECTATOR dealing RANDOMLY into two piles, then I think if your emphasis is here, then you can spend as much or little time as you like with the rest of the effect.

But, most importantly, DO NOT mention the outcome/mechanics during the separation.

Wow Seige!
That does sound like a really high-octane version of this effect!
Especially as you don't tell them what's to expect.
(Funny - OOTW breaks one of the 'golden rules' in that respect.

So, the obvious question - where in Green's works would one find this?

Also is his magic on the whole suitable for beginners or more advanced?

Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
N.

PS I have just posted some questions on the thread for Cosmos (a new, rather controversial version of OOTW)

Nikodemus wrote:So, the obvious question - where in Green's works would one find this?

Volume 2 of Lennart's 'Green Magic'

It's reasonably advanced stuff, and can be frustrating to watch him and then spill cards everywhere trying to emulate.

But, his colour separation is NOT a version of OOTW in itself, it is merely the one I use in my own routine.

Thanks for the info.

Personally I don't care if it is classified as OOTW or not. If it has an interesting plot & a powerful effect, I will check it out. I try to be open-minded when researching what methods/effects will work for me.

Glad you think that way: I like to take in as much knowledge as possible and see how it works for me. Most times, I can read an effect, and think "Well, that's rubbish... but it gives me an idea".

I tend to get great pleasure out of Green's work. And this particular move (the one-two separation) is one of the most memorable parts of his work for me.

For details of where OOTW can be found in original format, get hold of Magician's Magic by Paul Curry which was reviewed at http://www.talkmagic.co.uk/ftopic2892.p ... paul+curry