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Struggling with an effect? Any tips (without giving too much away!) you'd like to share?

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Postby Brad Monks » May 5th, '03, 22:08



Hate to admit but i hate palming too and will do most things to get around it but sometimes you have to and on those occasions i always get caught out....ah well, cant be good looking AND good at magic!!!!!!!

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Postby magicdiscoman » May 5th, '03, 22:34

:lol: when do you have too :lol:

if theres not a work around or gimick dont do it.
i dont do any palming in my shows, i use a svegali deck for forceing, and astripper deck for card tricks.

don't let the purists force you to do something that is uncomftable, i know i speek from experience hours and days of practice to do something no one ever sees.

the nearest i get to a slight is a french drop or false pass, nothing more complicated, magic is for the enjoyment of yourself and others not pain and hand cramps and arthritus.

modern tecnoligy allows us greater scope for gaffs and gimicks so use them.
dont keep a dog and bark yourself, here endeth the lesson my son (i can feel the drugs kicking in basingstoke basingstoke) :!:

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Postby seige » May 5th, '03, 22:59

Performing sleights is a preference, as made clear by MagicDiscoMan.

As quite rightly stated, there are many effects which don't require you to have fingers and hands like Meir Yeddid. In fact, lots of the effects one sees advertised recently actually state 'no palming or sleights required'.

I'm one of the 'purists' you speak of... I've always been fascinated by flourishes, shuffles and sleights. But that's just me. I crave to learn more, and I love being able to pick up a regular deck of cards and do amazing things at parties.

But today's magician can be more resourceful and use the arsenal of tricks out there.

I must admit, I'm quite adept at palming using various one and two hand methods, but to be honest, I use them so infrequently that they could fall by the wayside quite easily.

On the other hand, I rely on card and coin magic in my little shows, so palming and the like and the necessity to keep my hands healthy and tuned is quite important to ME... but as MagicDiscoMan states, why have a dog and bark yourself?

There is such a broad spectrum of magic which we can perform, and we all find our little niche.
If tying your fingers in knots is getting you flustered, stop. Life's to short. Concentrate on something you ENJOY. If, like me, magic does not provide your main income and is more of a 'paid hobby', it makes sense to enjoy it rather than sweat for hours perfecting something that is essentially a burden.

It's a free choice. Use your concentration to better your strengths, and try and bluff your way through your weaknesses!

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Postby magicdiscoman » May 5th, '03, 23:13

:lol: a spectater dosn't care what method you used to find his card just that you have.
i spent three months learning to turn two cards over as one, now i use my stripper deck to cut the chosen card to the top even after a shuffle.
ive just been asked what slights i would use for the ambisiouse card routine :?:
maybey my posts havent been read yet :wink:

next question :!:

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Postby seige » Jun 2nd, '03, 18:31

There's a proverbial nail just been struck firmly on the head...

Arrive at the effect whichever way you like. It's the overal impression made on the spectator that counts.

It's not uncommon for me to do tricks with one-way forcing decks - even tricks which I normally do otherwise. If I feel my sleights are being burned by a suspicous spectator, I just use another method.

And believe it or not, I think us Magi (who are in the know about such things) are far too critical of our own magic. In fact, I've never been caught with a forcing deck - it just seems almost TOO obvious for the spectator! Because of that, I've performed stunning routines.

Back to thread... Palming is really a door to a lot of different magic. There are so many more effects which you can achieve with palming (eg. signed card to envelope, card to pocket, productions, vanishes) - but by the same token, there are equally as many variations without palming.

Never give up, though... once you've sussed it out, it's there for life - and will serve you well.

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Postby magicdiscoman » Jun 2nd, '03, 21:01

:lol: hear hear :lol:

opps soory every one its one of though two line posts again.
not that i mind im in anyway :wink:

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