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Color Changes

Postby Blade Master » Sep 25th, '05, 22:35



Ok all you magicians, this will test your imagination. See in one of my color changing routines I change the entire blue deck to red except for five chosen cards (much like Nemsis). Now I wan't to have an added final kicker in which the five selected cards then change to blue just like the rest of the pack. Now my goal in this trick is to have everything examinable. Up to this point everything is, there are no gimmicks or trick cards that a spectator couldn't pick up and look at.

So how can I do this! :wink:
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Postby Demitri » Sep 26th, '05, 02:27

I had an idea come to me, but I have a question.

I'm assuming you are using the same method as Nemesis - which leads me to ask HOW are these 5 cards chosen. Is there a force involved or are they random selections?

If you'd rather not expose, PM me, I'll see if I can help.

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Postby ace of kev » Sep 26th, '05, 02:54

I don't know Nemisis, but if anyone would think that an idea along the lines of the Revolver. I'm not sure though, as I don't know what Nemisis is.

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Postby katrielalex » Sep 26th, '05, 08:28

If you were to use a false count with any five red cards, it shouldn't be too hard...

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Postby Sam:monkey fist » Sep 26th, '05, 13:23

katrielalex wrote:If you were to use a false count with any five red cards, it shouldn't be too hard...


I agree with alex this could be achieved with a false count of some kind ( a flushtration count might work well. This can be learnt off a number of DVD's if you don't already know how to do it).

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Postby katrielalex » Sep 26th, '05, 14:08

A Flustration count would be quite good but I think the H****n count (used in Killer B on PM) would be perfect.

Actually, why not buy Killer B and adapt the principle used there for a 5-card colour change?

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Postby ace of kev » Sep 26th, '05, 15:01

Yeh, That could work.

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Postby SirRawlins » Sep 26th, '05, 17:17

Any chance that you could post a video of the routine so far .. so we can tell where you have ditched cards, where the cards are sitting, how much the audience has seen etc etc.

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Postby Demitri » Sep 26th, '05, 22:53

Katriel - the color change on Killer B isn't sufficient - since he wants the cards examinable. That principle CAN work - but not if he wants to hand the cards out.

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Postby moodini » Sep 27th, '05, 00:07

I have a few ideas, but it would have alot to do with the selctions.....randon selections, or forced selections? With forced selections it would really be quite simple, you only need to palm and ditch!

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Postby Blade Master » Oct 3rd, '05, 03:22

:shock: Opps, sorry about the delay. Here's a video clip of my color change.

http://media.putfile.com/Color-Change46

So at the end of the trick the entire layout is 100% examinable. Now I'd like a way of picking up the five last cards face up and slow turn them over to reveal the five red cards to now be blue. I've been considering to do this:

While they touch and feel the cards, I casualy pull out five blue back cards of the ones that are on the table. Then carefully palm them out of sight and scoop the five red ones on top. Then I false count the blue cards down and have them look at them again, while secretly hiding the original red five.

I don't really like this idea, because there's to many instances where they might see what I'm doing. But all in all I want a switch in which the final product is examinable. :roll:

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Postby wingman04 » Oct 3rd, '05, 04:07

THat was really good but the DL which changes the King from blue to red was kinda obivious. Everything else is good

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Postby nathan » Oct 3rd, '05, 04:11

dont work for me

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Postby Demitri » Oct 3rd, '05, 07:46

Blade - Nice job on the effect. It looked good and aside from the king troubles, which wingman pointed out, your handling was nice and clean.

There are a few things that I wanted to point out - some which may cause suspicion.

First and foremost, you pull the deck out, take out the cards and shuffle them face up. You might not think this is a big deal, but two things make it suspicious. 1 - you pulled the deck down and it was face-down. You then turn the deck over to shuffle. Yes, it's to prove the cards aren't arranged or something like that, but if they're not set up a certain way, why did you need to turn it over. Second - dealing face up straight from the box is a VERY unusual move. Part of the effect is making everything seem like it's ordinary - typical - until the magic works. Most people are accustomed to shuffling face down, seeing it face up right out of the box can be suspicious, especially after you've shown the back.

Naturally, there is a reason for it, but there are ways around it. Rather than pulling the deck out to show a red back, turning and shuffling - you should show a few of the cards and build patter with it. You CAN show a few cards, so work with it.

Take the deck out, peel a few of the top cards off and just talk about how you're going to show them something with a deck of cards. While turning the deck over, you can patter about the fact that none of the cards are arranged or special. The best way to kill the suspicion is to simply do a spread of the cards face-up. Even if you don't show the whole deck, most specs are more than satisfied that they've seen enough to know you're using a normal deck. You COULD patter about NORMAL DECK. NORMAL! NOTHING AT ALL SPECIAL - but I wouldn't. Just make it a non-move. Casually thumb a few cards face down, casually spread as you tell them about a strange thing that happened to your cards one time. In short - sell it by not selling it.

2 - The first four cards. To call these selections is a bit loose of a term. While it's not a HUGE deal that you're dealing down the top 4 cards, it just doesn't ring through as random. You could try a few face up hindu shuffle forces to skirt this issue, since it won't ruin your card set-up.

3 - Wingman already commented on the king handling. Just work on that and it's fine.

As for the final change BACK - this I think could really send the effect right over the edge. I had one quick way to do it, which will leave you dirty for a split second, but I think it can work. For the sake of keeping most of your methods for this out of the public, I'll pm you my ideas.

Overall - great job. It's a nice attempt at reworking an existing concept and taking it to another level. Good job.

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Postby Blade Master » Oct 3rd, '05, 22:48

Wow, thanks for all the advice!

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