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a few months back i seen a card trick performed on derren browns tv show.

heres a description of the trick. Iv mazed my brain for weeks on end and i still cant come up with a solution.
If any one can help with ideas or even the name of the trick i would be thankfull.

Jonathan Ross and his wife who is given a free choice of a playing card; he askes her to name one (force/no force not too sure) she settles on the 7 of hearts, and they are both told to think of the card. Both JR and his wife have a complete deck of cards in front of them which they are then told to shuffle under the table and keep them there. DB tells a story of coincidence, and then asks them both to take a card from the deck and replce it upside down, and to shuffle the deck again;all this is done under the tabble by the way hidden. he tells another story of coincidence emphasising the emotional bond of people in love, and then asks them to shuffle the deck again. They then both take out their decks from under the table and spread them face up on the table and push out the single face down card; she turns hers over and it is the 7H, JR then turns his card over which is also the 7H - a story of coincidence they can now both tell.

I do remember reading how this was done a while back, but i cant remember how it was done, but it did involve a force from memory, and the decks were preped somehow with the selected card on the top.... from memory it didnt use shuffles though, it was using Cuts.

Rob

It could be done with a svengali deck, if you had the balls to hand it to your spec. The whole "under the talbe thing makes me think it might have been somehting like that, or a one way force deck.

Jay Sankey has an effect along these lines, but only one deck is used. Similar outcome, but the methods are completely different. The Derren Brown version also seems like it requires more work.

Is this available in any of his marketed material?

Yep ... it was the Sankey version that i had ... thanks Demittri, kick the old memory cell's into action.

There was a discussion on this shortly after it went to air: Derren Brown thread

Hope that helps!

iv just read that other topic and its all wrong.

the trick its self has to be the cleanest thing i have ever seen as DB never touches the cards..

both decks can never be gimicked because 2 people are handling them who never play with cards as you can tell from the clip!!

with out revealing too much iv seen derren force the 7H using suggestion before and thats jus something he likes to do.. but appart from that, the actuall card trick is so baffling.

the cards are spread and toyed with at the end of the trick and everything is clean.

and ideas on this trick usind 2 straight decks PM me or something!..

also, does any one know any good sites or books or dvds which contain card magic with only slights and straight decks.. gimmicks suck!!

john

There are countless resources for sleights (not slights, btw) and card magic using normal decks. I'm assuming you're a beginner, so I'll stick with a basic short list:

Royal Road to Card Magic
Card College (There are multiple volumes, but I would recommend going 1-by-1, not skipping ahead)
Jean Hugard's Card Control book
At the Card Table

DVD
Born to Perform Card Magic - Oz Pearlman
Basic Card Technique - Richard Kaufman
Easy to Master Card Miracles - Michael Ammar

These are just a few. I would recommend using the search function at the top of the page- you'll find you can get most of your answers on your own this way.

Just one thing - about the "gimmicks suck" comment. You're entitled to your opinion, but I would just be careful about such blanket statements. They'll instantly set you in an uncomfortable light around here. Remember, just because you don't like something, doesn't mean others agree.

anything by Allan Ackerman is pretty much gimmick free, also pretty much all of Darwin Ortiz material is ungimmicked. Larry Jennings is another who doesnt use many gimmicks

In the link that zack posted above, I posted the method. It was deleted because I think Steve Dela marketed the same method. I have no doubt that the methd that I posted works. As far as I can see, the hardest part is forcing the card.

iv just read that other topic and its all wrong.

both decks can never be gimicked because 2 people are handling them who never play with cards as you can tell from the clip!!

Think about it a bit harder.

johnstbs wrote:iv just read that other topic and its all wrong.

the trick its self has to be the cleanest thing i have ever seen as DB never touches the cards..

both decks can never be gimicked because 2 people are handling them who never play with cards as you can tell from the clip!!

with out revealing too much iv seen derren force the 7H using suggestion before and thats jus something he likes to do.. but appart from that, the actuall card trick is so baffling.

the cards are spread and toyed with at the end of the trick and everything is clean.

and ideas on this trick usind 2 straight decks PM me or something!..

also, does any one know any good sites or books or dvds which contain card magic with only slights and straight decks.. gimmicks suck!!

john

Don't forget (or do as you are meant to) alot of the tricks done by people such as Derren Brown and the like, (kenton knepper, luke jermay, ect) are set up so you remember CERTAIN parts of the trick afterwards and other parts are deleted.

I have a couple of tricks where the cards are in the persons hand from start to finish and end on almost impossible odds.

I do highly doubt it was a one way force deck as the deck was shown.

Also, I wouldnt dismiss the practicallity of gimmicked/stacked decks and Derren Brown does use them for a number of tricks.