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twice a week in a restaurant and sometimes work partys,weddings and pubs a few times a month

magicman0000 wrote:twice a week in a restaurant and sometimes work partys,weddings and pubs a few times a month

Intriguing .

If you wouldn't mind sharing, what are you're routines?

to be honest with you I don't really stick to routines anymore. I just do woteva tricks I like the most and have been getting me the best reactions lately. I just do a mixture of card effects pretty much all of them are impromtu like jokers wild , acr , here then there, chicago opener, biddle trick, card to pocket , synergy and some of my own effects.

I'm surprised that you keep getting the work with an approach like this.

Whatever takes your fancy is not the way to present any form of magic in my opinion. Some impromptu card effects are good for table hopping but getting by on this alone is not the answer.

well its works for me and I have been doin gigs for a year and a half now and had no bad comments on my perofrmance so as far as im concerned there is no need 2 change. I use to do routines but then I had a wedding that I was told about like 1 hour before I was gonna perfom and I had no routine for that and managed to do 45mins non stop of mianly card magic plus a few other close up tricks, and I have just decided to do woteva tricks I like on the night, I havetalked to other magicians about this and they have said the same they don'tstick to routines just do woteva and it works well !!!

well personally i hope your performances are better than your spelling!

Please try and use "proper" english.. using phrases like "woteva" makes you sound like a 6 year old

how do u no im not 6

ok i will try use proper spelling im not very gd at spelling and grammar though

how do u no im not 6

A 6 year old table hopping cardie - now that would be something to see

yep it woud lol

[quote] Some impromptu card effects are good for table hopping but getting by on this alone is not the answer.

y is this not the answer anyway?

I think what he is trying to say is that you will not get anywhere with this approach. You might be doing good magic, but at the end of the day, you will not go further than twice a week in a restaurant and sometimes work partys,weddings and pubs a few times a month. I completely understand if you don't want to go further than this, but i my opinion, as magicians we should all be striving for perfection in what we do.

And back to the original question, what are your routines?

yeh but laymen don't know we have specific routines do they ?

I woud like to make a living out of magic so yeh id like to go further in magic lol.

I said in an earlier post I don't really stick to routines anymore just do woteva comes to mind. I used to have routines and use them but now don't really stick to them and just think before I go to the table i will do say jokers wild maybe stealth pen and ACr if they have beeen getting gd reactions that night if you get wot I mean. I used to do routines a lot but I sometimes go back to tables and that so I don't reallydo 2 routines to each table. Lately all the gigs I been doin I had routines in my head what to do and then when I get there I just change them all kinda starnge but I just find its not that important to haveroutines you stick to as long as you do gd tricks to the people your performing for.

I don't know if that makes any sense its kinda hard to say what im trying 2 say in words lol .

yeh but laymen don't know we have specific routines do they ?

I think that you're under estimating laymen.

I agree that good magic is good magic but what's important is that your specs, or laymen think that you're good. If you don't develop then you get left behind as other catch up and then overtake.

Often, magicians think that they're good when they are not being totally honest with themselves. It's not what you think but what those who come to watch you think. I'm not directing this at you or anyone else, just speaking generally.

Magic needs to be entertaining and it needs to flow. Having some variety and structure helps more than you would think. If you have a good flowing routine then laymen will remember the MAGIC. If you have a few good tricks then they remember the TRICKS. There's a difference and in my opinion, laymen generally know the difference.

I think that the point that MagicMan000 is trying to put accross is that he feels Adaptablility is important.

If your spectators are turned on by a particular style of magic the you need to adapt your routine to fit the mood or atmostphere.

As the Fast Shows Swiss Toni would say "Doing magic is much like making love to a beautiful woman, ..."

Although I'm not in the position to make asumptions, i am sure that playing off the reactions of your spectators is a key element of the show.

I can appreciate that learning a set routine would ensure that you get your tricks down pat, and helps the performance run smoothly, but at the end of the day the spectators that matter most,

I'm sure someone recently said "perform what magic the spectators want to see, not what you want to see" ... if you have specs going crazy over colour changes, then why not toss in a few more!

But ... i've not worked in front of a proper audience so i wouldnt really know how it works ... just thought i toss my two pence in and make a wish!

Rob

SirRawlins wrote:I think that the point that MagicMan000 is trying to put accross is that he feels Adaptablility is important.

No, adaptability is a completely different subject. Magicman000 said:

laymen don't know we have specific routines do they ?

That is not the point. You are right that an audience shouldn't realise there is a set routine, and the best performers are those who's audience are too busy being entertained to realise that there is a routine.

However, this does not mean that those performers don't have a routine. It means the complete opposite i.e. their routine is so good that it is flawless.

Have you ever heard the terms "opener" and "closer"? By having an opener and a closer you have a routine. However, it is a routine at the most fundamental level. A good routine is one that will build from start to finish and have an audience utterly entertained and enthralled throughout.

What's your favourite film? Why is it your favourite film?

Personally, my favourite film is The Shawshank Redemption. Why? Because I am absolutely engrossed in the story all the way through. It has me hooked from start to finish.

That is how a good routine should be. It should grab you at the very begining and draw you in, deeper and deeper, until you get to the climax of the whole thing which should leave the audience completely satisfied and yet wanting more.

It's a very hard goal to achieve but my personal mission is to aim for perfection and that way I will always be getting better.

If you want to go further in your magic than just a deck of cards and a marker pen (and trust me there is so much more out there) then you will need to open your eyes and start giving the audience what they really want and not what you want to force feed them.

If you don't believe me, let's go back to the film analogy. Did you enjoy watching Home Alone? I know I did; the finale when he's setting up the house and then the robbers end up burning themselves and such is hilarious. But at looking back on it, would you rate it as one of your top five movies of all time? Personally, it wouldn't even reach my top ten. Think about it and if you can work out why you're on your way to understanding the importance of good routining.

For reference I strongly suggest you read "Strong Magic" by Darwin Ortiz.