matt27689 wrote:Iknew there would be someone who wouldn't give me a straight answer.
No, you were given a straight answer - use the search function and it will answer your question.
You obviously didn't look very hard - I just did a search on the words 'xtreme beginners' and found this thread:
http://www.talkmagic.co.uk/ftopic8053-0-0-asc-.php
Which answers your question directly, in fact it was a thread pointing another user asking the exact same question to numerous replies made previously.
It never ceases to amaze me how people can type their key-words into a post and hit submit and waste other people's time rather than type those exact same key-words into a search engine and find what they want instantly.
It's pure laziness - and it clogs up the boards with unwanted messages.