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Basic trick...

Just seen this on my local news programme and was sure i'd seen it on here but cant think of the name of the trick!

Start off showing 4 aces...one turns face down by itself...then another...then magican turns 3rd card themself and then 4th card is turned by itself...four jokers then shown to be 4 aces.

Thats the best description I can come up with as I have a splitting headache and am knackerd.

Any help from you kind kind people?

There are loads of effects like this, but do a search for the asher twist.

Its NFW, I'll leave you to work out what it stands for.

I'll agree with James ... this sounds like NFW, its a nice effect ... but the UnGimmicked version is better

If this trick is up your street then i would reccomend you look into "The Asher Twist" and "Jumping Gemini" both similar packet effects.

Rob

Correct me if I'm wrong but Asher Twist is a variation of Vernons Twisting the Aces, which isn't what was described.

No its not what is dscribed James ... but i reccomended it as a similar Packet Trick in which the cards turn face down, in my opinion its much more visual than NFW... NFW just pip's it to the post with the change into aces.

Rob

it was NFW...thankyou muchly kind magicmen!

SirRawlins wrote:No its not what is dscribed James ... but i reccomended it as a similar Packet Trick in which the cards turn face down, in my opinion its much more visual than NFW... NFW just pip's it to the post with the change into aces.

Rob

So is it a variation of twisting the aces, and if so is it a different handling or is there some additional effect?

I've not actualy learned Twisting the Aces of Asher Twist so i couldnt really comment on how similar the technique is, i've seen it performed a few times and its incredibly visual though, check Lee Ashers website, it may give you a little more info.

Rob

Ah, my mistake. Sorry I thought Asher Twist was the name of the variation, not the source. I'll look into it.

pdjamez wrote:Ah, my mistake. Sorry I thought Asher Twist was the name of the variation, not the source. I'll look into it.

Thought I'd clean up this thread with my findings. Asher Twist is the name of the DVD and the effect. It is indeed a different handling of Vernons classic Twisting the Aces.

... a little further clarification...

Vernon's original routine was based heavily on the Elmsley Count, along with a few twists and turns. The cards are turned right before the spectators' eyes, and because of the devious handling, nothing is suspected.

The Asher Twist achieves a similar effect using a very nifty little sleight, which allows one or more cards to be turned instantaneously under cover.

The Asher Twist appeared as part of Lee Asher's original 'Well Done' video (which is great, by the way) and I would actually say that the Asher Twist is a description more of the 'move' than the routine...

Another 'twisting' effect which I was sure I'd reviewed here is Reed McClintock's 'McClintock Twist'. A very visual, very fluid twisting routine, with a cleanup at the end using Asher's Twist.

Also important to note: Unlike NFW, the twists by Vernon, Asher and McClintock are totally ungaffed, and can be done with any regular cards.

And...

The effect being described is undoubtedly the NFW routine.

Oh, and Rob, Asher's Twist isn't a packet trick

For my four pennorth, I go for the original Vernon routine (with Ammar's handling variation in the Elmsley Count)... because it's clean, baffling, and uses a regular deck. But, you don't get the bonus of the cards changing at the end.

1) Twisting the aces is completely different than Asher Twist, and NFW...somewhat similar to Mclintock Twist....but I use the words "Somewhat similar" as they are not identical......I do agree that the trick described above is alost certianily NFW!

2) As Rob said before (....."The Asher Twist" and "Jumping Gemini" both similar packet effects.) Why could one not refer to "Asher Twist" as a packet trick? Just curious

moodini wrote:1) Twisting the aces is completely different than Asher Twist, and NFW...somewhat similar to Mclintock Twist....but I use the words "Somewhat similar" as they are not identical......I do agree that the trick described above is alost certianily NFW!

2) As Rob said before (....."The Asher Twist" and "Jumping Gemini" both similar packet effects.) Why could one not refer to "Asher Twist" as a packet trick? Just curious

1: Twisting the aces/Asher Twist are different in execution, agreed... but the Asher Twist has always been referred to as a 'twisting the aces type effect'. It's important to note that the routines are in fact different. However, if comparisons are to be drawn, NFW and Vernons' use the same PRINCIPLE, as do McClintocks and Asher's twists.

2: Why would the Asher Twist be referred to as a packet trick? It is performed with regular cards and doesn't need gaffs/gimmicks. A packet trick is usually defined as a self-contained one-trick-pony effect. However, all of the twists mentioned in this post, with the exception of the original NFW, can be performed from a regular or borrowed deck.

A packet trick is usually defined as a self-contained one-trick-pony effect

Au contraire mon ami - In Paul Hallas's "Small but Deadly", perhaps the bible of the packet trick, and without doubt (imho) a splendid book, the humble packet trick is really any trick that is performed with just a small number (packet) of cards - with or without gimmickes. Paul would have it argued that "twisting the aces" is indeed a packet trick.

not that it matters of course...